I’ve given you enough proof that this coup was not organic, illegitimate and smells and walks like a foreign interference. Are you waiting for signed invoices, travel tickets and signed contracts? You know well that’s not going to happen.

As I mentioned before - the outrage of a foreign elected official openly encouraging far right extremists that eg stormed the capitol on the 6th of January 2020 would have been sufficient in the eyes of an average American to bomb that nation back to medieval ages. Yet McCain appearing in exactly the same situation “makes sense”? My brother in Christ, do I have news for you.

You haven't given me any evidence of that. What I've seen is you've seen some pretty weak circumstantial evidence and then bought into it with absolute confidence.

Give me any kind of transfer of weapons to Ukranians, you said there's training, who did the training? Are there any NGOs with specific ties to American organizations that do this kind of stuff?

Literally all you've given me is that we funded some NGOs dedicated to changing Ukraine's electoral process, and then assumed that it was violent.



The USA has absolutely been pushing Ukraine to the West by influencing their people. But there is currently no evidence we supported anything violent. and the ouster of their president was done by parliment with a 100% margin AFTER he violently cracked down on protests.. So the movement looks pretty incredibly organic to me.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Oct 6 2023 02:29pm

You mean to tell me people don't want to live as a vassal state of Russia? I refuse to believe it.

It's literally always the same talking point.

"McCain was there so obviously we fomented a violent coup". Never any actual evidence

I don’t think I would be able to furnish you photos of McCain smiling while handing it ver AKs, don’t be ridiculous. Can you find any pictures of CIA transferring weapons to eg Contra? The NGO activity I posted before (including eg USAID) involves training how to organize and protest. And then we have foreign elected officials coming in and encouraging the far right to storm the capitol, err storm the Rada and depose of the President.

The President has cracked down violently after protesters started throwing Molotovs and murdering police. The timeline is quite unambiguous. I don’t understand what his other options were. He met with the far right and was willing to negotiate. They were not.

There is also the mystery of who the snipers were as it seems shots angles were from the buildings that were not controlled by the govt raising question as to who was shooting.

Just to quote your own words from another thread. You seem to be completely okay with US elected officials actively encouraging just that. The guy was on the fucking stage next to far right guys who ended up killing police and overthrowing a govt. It wasn’t your average babushka that was throwing Molotovs I tell you that.



This post was edited by Malopox on Oct 6 2023 11:35pm

wtf even is this post. We had a shit load of evidence for Iran Contra. That's why it was discovered, reported, and prosecuted. Operations like this were virtually impossible to keep secret 50 years ago, much less today.

You basically just acknowledged you have no evidence, then compared it to a situation where we got the evidence in pretty short order, and then speculated that maybe this or that was due to America.

That's really all you seem to have. Extremely loose conspiratorial connections. No actual evidence.

I must say thank you. I wasn't totally sure in my position that the USA didn't have much of a hand in the ousting in 2014, but now I'm absolutely sure of it. Good fucking luck keeping that kind of thing secret for 9 years in this world. You couldn't even do that 50 years ago.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Oct 6 2023 11:39pm

every kremlin asset that just uncritically runs with the "violent overthrow of a democratically elected government" talking point, outright ignoring the FACT that the democratically elected leader - very undemocratically - unilaterally withdrew from agreed upon deals and treaties on russia's (where he eventually fled to) behest, that he violently cracked down on protest, and that his constitutional removal was overwhelmingly supported by the electorate, is either completely unaware of what actually happened, or arguing in bad faith by omitting this context.

it's as dumb and as obvious of a misrepresentation as the old "ukraine started by indiscriminately bombing civilians for being ethnic russian" lie, ignoring the FACT that russian unmarked troops had previously invaded the country, and together with russian funded separatists started occupying administrative buildings by force, before the whole "shelling" began.

those people, no matter how hard they try to present themselves as civil, knowledgable, reasonable, or neutral, are clearly doing moscow's bidding by either deliberately or ignorantly repeating easily debunked talking points, and should be dismissed as the dishonest war apologists they are.

This post is exactly what you needed yet you ignore (again) it all to focus on one small part of the argument trying to invalidate the whole body of the argument.

Ive given you and laid out my argument yet you ignore it in its entirety gleaming over gaping holes in your own logic, trying to proclaim a swift victory.

I’ll take your this as an L from your side, thanks.

This post was edited by Malopox on Oct 6 2023 11:58pm

you've been slapped around and exposed for not being able to make a coherent argument for several pages now, only ever resorting to vague hints and outright conspiracy claims - how can you declare yourself the "winner" after that, lol? you're one delusional kremlin asset...

I’m assuming you are talking about me calling me a Kremlin asset.

Could you please bring some evidence that it was not within the rights of the President to the negotiate on behalf of the country and choose what’s best for people that elected him?

Could you please let me know what is wrong with supporting freedom fighters who are fighting for representation once their legitimate government has been overthrown?