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Quote (El1te @ Oct 3 2023 06:03pm)
They stop the body from producing key hormones such as testosterone and estrogen

which of course, is a recipe for disaster developmentally


Nope. You can restart puberty after puberty blockers, and this is literally what puberty blockers have always been used for.

Kids don't all go through puberty at the same time. Some start at 9. Others at 15. And there are no long term effects. Delaying it a few years is absolutely within the natural development of your average human.

I'm a biochemist. I know these things. Isn't that right?



https://kidshealth.org/en/teens/delayed-puberty.html

The range of puberty is pretty broad in humans, and while there is an ideal age, delaying it doesn't really have lasting impacts as long as you aren't going like, extremely far outside of normal.

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Nope. You can restart puberty after puberty blockers, and this is literally what puberty blockers have always been used for.

Kids don't all go through puberty at the same time. Some start at 12. Others at 15. And there are no long term effects. Delaying it a few years is absolutely within the natural development of your average human.

I'm a biochemist. I know these things. Isn't that right?


Reproduction of those hormones needs to be stimulated again (more chemical therapy), it will not resume spontaneously upon stopping the drug

And it will not be restored to natural levels

You know these things which is why lying about them to support your political allies is dishonourable

artificially "delaying" puberty through exogenous chemical intervention is never healthy period

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You don't determine what is true on PaRD. You do it in the scientific literature. And the scientific literature has very specific and well founded recommendations that ensure the welfare of children, and that is the standard we now know as gender affirming care.

Countries banning types of care should be taken with a MASSIVE grain of salt. That is a political process, not a scientific or medical process. The medical consensus is extremely strong which is why basically every evidence-based organization recommends largely the same course of treatment.


to say it's purely political and not based off science is not correct


https://cass.independent-review.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/20220726_Evidence-review_Gender-affirming-hormones_For-upload_Final.pdf
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Quote (El1te @ Oct 3 2023 06:06pm)
Reproduction of those hormones needs to be stimulated again (more chemical therapy), it will not resume spontaneously upon stopping the drug

And it will not be restored to natural levels

You know these things which is why lying about them to support your political allies is dishonourable


Citation needed.

Go ahead and provide your sources for this, as well as evidence for what harms are caused.

Then we can have a real discussion on the merits!
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There is obviously some basis in science, but the process itself is subject to political pressures that cause politically unfavorable conclusions to receive higher degrees of scrutiny than popular ones, which skews conclusions.

There, that better?

The UK is the worst case of this, so I wouldn't suggest using them as a basis. For the past 5+ years there's been tons of influence on the NHS by conservatives to exactly the effect I just described.

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There is obviously some basis in science, but the process itself is subject to political pressures that cause politically unfavorable conclusions to receive higher degrees of scrutiny than popular ones, which skews conclusions.

There, that better?

The UK is the worst case of this, so I wouldn't suggest using them as a basis. For the past 5 years there's been tons of influence on the NHS by conservatives to exactly the effect I just described.


well pick a scandinavian country then, if the entire NHS system is apparently corrupt on this topic. simply put your statement of "The medical consensus is extremely strong which is why basically every evidence-based organization recommends largely the same course of treatment."
is not correct, many leading developed countries are against the use of puberty blockers as previously described -- not just fringe politically motivated bad actors

https://www-sbu-se.translate.goog/342?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp

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Quote (majorblood @ Oct 3 2023 06:16pm)
well pick a scandinavian country then, if the entire NHS system is apparently corrupt on this topic. simply put your statement of "The medical consensus is extremely strong which is why basically every evidence-based organization recommends largely the same course of treatment."
is not correct, many leading developed countries are against the use of puberty blockers as previously described -- not just fringe politically motivated bad actors

https://www-sbu-se.translate.goog/342?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp


The first point is already concerning. Puberty blockers on trans kids has been shown in plenty of studies to have positive impacts. Like I said, political process is political.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/political-minds/202201/the-evidence-trans-youth-gender-affirming-medical-care

Multiple studies that all conclude some version of "puberty blockers or hormone treatment was associated with better outcomes".

I haven't gone through each of these in detail, but the fact is you can find dozens of studies all showing improvement with hormone or puberty blocking treatment and you have to really dig for ones that find any kind of negative outcome. Usually the results are positive, or not enough sample size to conclude. Negative is extremely rare.

The only real question up for debate is if the risks outweigh the benefits, and in political organizations they inherently skew more conservative due to being based at least in part on public perception. Medical organizations almost universally agree that gender affirming care, including potentially puberty blockers or hormone treatments, are appropriate when prescribed appropriately.
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Keep these POS away from everyone, especially kids...use force with a smile on your face.
Rage level 10.

Fu netflix.....
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Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Oct 4 2023 02:34am)
Puberty blockers on trans kids has been shown in plenty of studies to have positive impacts.


For left-wing fascists, helping irreversibly push unconsenting children not yet allowed to smoke cigarettes into a fringe hardcore-smut-cult with 40%+ suicide-rate is a positive impact.

Just as mentioned above:

Quote (HeLiCaL @ Oct 4 2023 02:17am)
but sadly for the people you've helped die, you actually hold their blood sacrifice to the leftist religion as a badge of honor


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