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Jul 12 2023 03:31pm
Quote (gnarjay @ Jul 12 2023 05:22pm)
a federal judge is receiving money directly from lawyers, lawyers that have had cases brought before him.
are you suggesting that Clarence Thomas is beyond reproach because he would have ruled the same either way?


An aide to Clarence Thomas received money from a number of lawyers in connection to a social event (a Christmas party) in which one person paid for an expense out of convenience that was to be mutually shared by all.

You're starting with "lawyers have professional social circles" and ending up at "American constitutional democracy has failed" without connecting a single dot in-between.
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Jul 12 2023 03:37pm
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An aide to Clarence Thomas received money from a number of lawyers in connection to a social event (a Christmas party) in which one person paid for an expense out of convenience that was to be mutually shared by all.

You're starting with "lawyers have professional social circles" and ending up at "American constitutional democracy has failed" without connecting a single dot in-between.


if you want to stick your head in the sand instead of paying attention to whats been going on with the SC lately, that's your prerogative
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Jul 12 2023 07:21pm
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if you want to stick your head in the sand instead of paying attention to whats been going on with the SC lately, that's your prerogative


To summarize what you've said, Clarence Thomas is corrupt because he invited a bunch of former colleagues out on a Christmas celebration and said friends venmo'd each other money to cover whatever incidental costs they incurred on their night out.

In response, I'd point out that the article which you linked didn't even draw that as a takeaway.
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Jul 12 2023 08:33pm
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To summarize what you've said, Clarence Thomas is corrupt because he invited a bunch of former colleagues out on a Christmas celebration and said friends venmo'd each other money to cover whatever incidental costs they incurred on their night out.

In response, I'd point out that the article which you linked didn't even draw that as a takeaway.


read back through this thread where you and I have already argued about the other instances of Thomas engaging in dubious behavior, this is just one more example
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Jul 12 2023 09:09pm
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read back through this thread where you and I have already argued about the other instances of Thomas engaging in dubious behavior, this is just one more example


In what way has Thomas engaged in dubious behavior here? Should he be instructing his aides not to have friendly relationships with other highly qualified lawyers?

Apply this to any other scenario. Is it a political conspiracy if congressional staffers socialize? If CEOs meet at a function, is the FTC notified? No and no, this is a sloppy political propaganda and we should hold ourselves to a higher standard.
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Jul 12 2023 09:24pm
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In what way has Thomas engaged in dubious behavior here? Should he be instructing his aides not to have friendly relationships with other highly qualified lawyers?

Apply this to any other scenario. Is it a political conspiracy if congressional staffers socialize? If CEOs meet at a function, is the FTC notified? No and no, this is a sloppy political propaganda and we should hold ourselves to a higher standard.




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Richard Painter, who served as the chief White House ethics lawyer in the George W Bush administration and has been a vocal critic of the role of dark money in politics, said it was “not appropriate” for former Thomas law clerks who were established in private practice to – in effect – send money to the supreme court via Venmo.

“There is no excuse for it. Thomas could invite them to his Christmas party and he could attend Christmas parties, as long as they are not discussing any cases. His Christmas party should not be paid for by lawyers,” Painter said. “A federal government employee collecting money from lawyers for any reason … I don’t see how that works.”


did you read the article?
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Jul 12 2023 09:34pm
*Frothing at the mount screaming at scotus.*

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Jul 13 2023 06:42am
Quote (gnarjay @ Jul 12 2023 11:24pm)
did you read the article?


There are two problems. One, as we've gone over, the money was not paid to Clarence Thomas. Two, this sort of thing is incredibly common in all walks of life. I need to transfer money to a colleague to cover the cost of a golf work event I'll be attending next month. The idea that a party is ok if friends take it in turns to cover $1000 in costs, but not ok if each chips in $100 is absurd. That's precisely what Richard Painter is suggesting, it is ok if a (lawyer) friend of Thomas hosts a $10k event and invites Thomas, and Thomas hosts a $10k event and invites said friend in turn, but it's not ok if they go out to a nice restaurant, one person picks up the cheque, and the rest venmo him later.

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Jul 19 2023 08:04pm
big day tomorrow, the Senate Judiciary Committee will vote on the Supreme Court Ethics, Recusal, and Transparency (SCERT) Act


https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/press/releases/durbin-urges-his-colleagues-to-support-supreme-court-ethics-reform-legislation
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Jul 28 2023 01:38pm
if nothing else, this statement alone is reason enough for Congress to impose new judicial ethics rules on SC justices

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