Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Apr 17 2023 09:45am)

If it required the religion to progress then it isn't something that's inherently tied to the religion, and therefore isn't a religious idea.

The Big Bang was first proposed by a Catholic, and it wasn't an idea before then, but that doesn't mean it's a religious idea.

Quote (El1te @ Apr 17 2023 12:49pm)

Depends how you define it really, the entirety of Western thought is derived from the synthesis of Hellenic philosophy & Persian & Jewish religious ideas

Quote (Plaguefear @ Apr 15 2023 02:43pm)

Florida is trying to pass new laws that allow the death penalty for crimes against children.
Now I would normally be all for this but a few situations make it pretty concerning: bad relatives now have the angle of "don't tell anyone or I could die" which is a lot of pressure on a victim and I know how much even the thought of ruining a man's reputation can scare a young person.
Also we have another much scarier potential: if the perpetrator is going to get the same penalty if the victim talks as they would for murder then it is much more likely to end in a death.

Thoughts?

Quote (Surfpunk @ Apr 18 2023 02:27am)

Oh, you want crime rates before and after? Here you go: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/1745-9133.12601

It is nice to see you recognizing the actual root causes of crime (poverty being the foremost). Would be nice if the right wing in this country would actually support policies that targeted the root causes.

As for the number of innocent people on death row: https://innocenceproject.org/national-academy-of-sciences-reports-four-percent-of-death-row-inmates-are-innocent/

Quote (addone @ Apr 17 2023 04:44pm)

Why is there a different user replying to every post I make with the original poster? Can you just jump on your original account and stop replying with 10 different multis. :wacko:

Sorry not downloading random shit. On the other link it says 4% unlike the other poster who was pulling 8% without any citation. Can you people get your statistics straight please.
So let's say 4% is correct figure well that's incompetence problem. If after +18 years average of waiting https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/death-row/death-row-time-on-death-row and investigating millions of dollars then it tells us either judicial system is incompetent and or corrupt or that it's the best it can do. Wonder then what percentage of wrongfully procecuted cases the DOJ makes for smaller crimes?

Anyway besides the a small number of people and a relatively small percentage of those few people who actually get the injection is super tiny. Out of 18.6 average executions per year https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/facts-and-research/dpic-reports/dpic-year-end-reports/the-death-penalty-in-2022-year-end-report that's around 0.74 innocent people who actually die per year. I mean innocent death is no good but if you compare it to 251,000 people (in US) who die due to medical error for example where a doctor misdiagnosed or made a communication error that number is absolutely miniscule.

If your argument is that we should get rid of death penalty because 0.74 innocent people die because of it then we should get rid of doctors aswell because they cause 251,000 innocent deaths per year? Sorry that is weak

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Apr 17 2023 10:53am)

I'd argue that most of our progress in the last ~400 years has been at the expense of those modes of thought.

Things like the scientific method arose in spite of essentialist thinking that's present in Christian and Hellenistic philosophies.

Quote (TiStuff @ Apr 18 2023 10:00am)

Sir Francis Bacon (1561-1626) is generally considered the father of the scientific method, but Bacon was preceded by over a thousand years of thinkers who formulated the ideas that inspired him.

Quote (Handcuffs @ Apr 18 2023 10:02am)

This post is copy + pasted from somewhere. I just know it.

Found it: https://study.com/learn/lesson/scientific-method-development-overview-who-invented-the-scientific-method.html

Quote (TiStuff @ Apr 18 2023 10:03am)

yes ? am i supposed to make stuff up?

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=the+father+of+the+scirentific+method

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Sir Francis Bacon (1561-1626) is generally considered the father of the scientific method, but Bacon was preceded by over a thousand years of thinkers who formulated the ideas that inspired him.Apr 20, 2022

Who Invented the Scientific Method? - Video & Lesson ...

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How did Francis Bacon contribute to the scientific method?

Francis Bacon outlined the scientific method in his 1620 treatise, Novum Organum. In doing so, Bacon introduced the scientific method to European thinkers at the height of the Scientific Revolution, influencing the likes of Galileo and Isaac Newton, who put the method into practice in their works.
Did Francis Bacon create the scientific method?

The scientific method was not so much invented as it was developed. Francis Bacon published his interpretation of the scientific method in his 1620 treatise entitled Novum Organum. However, he was strongly influenced by previous thinkers like Roger Bacon and Aristotle, who championed the ideas of empiricism and inductive reasoning.

Quote (Handcuffs @ Apr 18 2023 10:09am)

Nah, I can just tell when something is in your own words or not.