Quote (Neptunus @ Apr 2 2023 05:42am)

The territorial disputes were created by Russia. Crimea was Ukrainian territory ever since it left the Soviet Union. I do agree that from outside the Ukrainian measures against Russian language might be a little too harsh at times considering some ppl identify as Russophone Ukrainians primarily, but no evidence against widespread persecution exists and neither of us really know the full picture.

You have to also keep in mind there was a separatist population who was willing to take arms against their countrymen and they were supplied by Russia. There are also plenty of Russophones fighting for Ukraine now. Russian language had become an imperialist tool to manipulate Ukraine to serve Russian interests so measures had to also be taken against it. It's a conflicted topic indeed, but none of this ever justifies full scale invasion and war.

Russification was a thing in the past and it certainly seems to be a thing in the present, evident by the whole "Russian world" rhetoric. Add the antifascist twist to it and you'll have Russian patriots flocking to relive the "Great Patriotic war".

No theyre not gut feelings. The nuclear deterrent is just so strong that the major nuclear states have always been warring through proxies to avoid invoking nuke use. I didnt say they dont need conventional warfare, but any nuke state with icbms can just say "we'll nuke you if you touch us" and nobody will touch them.

Quote (fender @ Apr 2 2023 08:03am)

you will obviously ignore this again, but the "important naval base" talking point, your moronic "justification" to murder women and children, is completely debunked by the fact that russia already annexed the whole of crimea in 2014 - including the sevastopol base.

so it makes no sense whatsoever to list that as a "reason" for the 2022 invasion, broken kremlin bot.

Quote (DizzyBusiness @ 2 Apr 2023 15:58)

Hurr durr russia already annexed Crimea :drool:

Yes why would Russia be concerned about having a territorial dispute with a NATO country.

Lmao Fender go take a nap

Quote (fender @ Apr 2 2023 11:10am)

different argument. also dumb ofc (because there would be no territorial dispute if russia hadn't invaded - there were written agreements in place that secured russia's access to the naval base until THEY decided to invade and cancel those) - but your moronic "they have to murder innocent civilians because they need access to sevastopol naval base" talking point has been completely debunked.

ukraine had NO path to NATO membership when russia invaded in '22 either. that's a FACT. you kremlin bots keep ignoring that, but your dishonesty doesn't magically change reality. you're just trying to distract from the facts by making a lot of (really dumb) noise. no intelligent person would fall for that though. your propaganda is useless because it's so comically easy to debunk.

Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Apr 2 2023 04:17pm)

Go for a nap, you are embarrassing yourself again Fender.

Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Apr 2 2023 11:22am)

checking random topics and everywhere its fenderp spamming and insulting people

yikes

Quote (fender @ Apr 2 2023 11:26am)

the whole butthurt brigade desperate to make it personal in order to avoid the argument, lol. obviously ignoring the insults by their fellow kremlin bots like the hypocrites they are. too easy really...

Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 2 2023 02:45pm)

You ever notice how these simple logical arguments never get refuted?

Ukraine had a democracy. East and west alike agreed it held legitimate elections, the people had their representatives, the most populous oblasts leaned pro-Russian, the elected former governor of Donetsky declined the EU agreement and the western powers backed a coup d'etat that overthrow that democracy. Anything that follows cannot be called a legitimate democracy, no matter how much pretense and flag waving its dressed up in, especially not when that pretense is dropped as the opposition party is banned, dissidents and journalists murdered, half the country disenfranchised, the media seized, even churches raided and nazi death squads in action.

The whole moral and ideological lens about 'defending democracy' ends right there. And nobody really has a way to pretend otherwise. Deflect, attack the other side, call the Russians worse, sure, go ahead, keep wriggling. But "debunking" is what never occurs.

Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 2 Apr 2023 16:29)

its truly shocking how npc's apparently have no memory

not too long ago the post coup regime in kiev was criticised for killing civilians, murdering journalists, banning all opposition, media censorship etc, the already insane corruption became even worse under selensky and then suddenly they are defending democracy and our "values" :rofl:

sorry, the corruption and literal nazis in kiev do not become better because putin invaded