Quote (jtd @ Dec 6 2020 06:13pm)

but...Trump lost, right?

Quote (IceMage @ Dec 6 2020 06:27pm)

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/05/opinion/sunday/trump-election-fraud.html

Pretty solid article.

What stuck out most to me are the right-leaning people who don't really follow the news that believe in this bullshit "they stole the election" narrative. They might at least be smart enough to be a little skeptical of Trump's statements, but the fact that the president and most Republicans support the narrative(strongly or not) gives credence to the claims for them. If you don't follow politics closely, there's an assumption that if a lot of people on one side of the aisle are claiming something happened, it must have some merit, particularly if you usually vote for that party.

Quote (bogie160 @ Dec 6 2020 06:12pm)

We're at a bad point in our history.Liberals couldn't stomach Trump's election as it represented a repudiation of the "end of history" (apologies to Fukuyama) that they had envisioned. Now we're seeing the same in reverse. The establishment players right now are undoubtably the most competent, but they clearly have no vision for the country's future. We need to weather the storm and wait for the collapse of this two party system.

Quote (IceMage @ 6 Dec 2020 18:33)

Can someone translate the bold for me?

What vision did Trump have? The perpetual infrastructure week, the healthcare reform bill that never was, the wall that barely got built which wasn't funded by Mexico, the fighting with South Korea over trade issues while trying to strike a deal with North Korea...

The idea that Trump had some long-term strategic vision for the United States... is that seriously what you believe? Because he started a trade war with China, as if that was a serious effort to confront them strategically in a smart, sustainable way?

Quote (IceMage @ Dec 6 2020 06:33pm)

Can someone translate the bold for me?

What vision did Trump have? The perpetual infrastructure week, the healthcare reform bill that never was, the wall that barely got built which wasn't funded by Mexico, the fighting with South Korea over trade issues while trying to strike a deal with North Korea...

The idea that Trump had some long-term strategic vision for the United States... is that seriously what you believe? Because he started a trade war with China, as if that was a serious effort to confront them strategically in a smart, sustainable way?

Quote (bogie160 @ Dec 6 2020 07:29pm)

You misread the bold.

Quote (EndlessSky @ Dec 6 2020 03:09pm)

For me 10 just doesnt seem to compare to 10000.

Just like how schools commit like 10x more rapes than priests. Especially since most of the catholic church stuff was just gay priests hooking up with each other at like age 16.

Quote (thundercock @ 6 Dec 2020 20:48)

What are the numbers on a per capita basis? Show me the data!

How many pilots are allowed to crash planes before we hold them to a higher standard? How many doctors can commit malpractice? As I said before, if you are in a position of authority, you MUST be held to a higher standard. The fact that police kill Americans at a higher rate than soldiers kill civilians is a problem, don't you think?