Quote (bogie160 @ Dec 6 2020 01:56pm)
As you hate them. You're incredibly bitter. I think you need to recognize that when you jumped off the deep end and followed the Russian collusion conspiracy theory down the rabbit hole, you created a lot of animosity on the other side. It's going to take time for that to heal.
You can call yourself what you like, but from a policy standpoint you are firmly a member of the establishment wing within Democratic party.
The Kafka-esque hysteria on the left, whether its "white fragility", the 1619 project, or the ideological purges within academia, are fundamentally threats to neo-liberalism. News journalists forsaking objectivity for advocacy threatens neo-liberalism. It's a far greater long-term threat than a bunch of poor, working class whites without a shred of institutional power. And yet it's to that demographic that you direct all of this anger and resentment.
No... I don't hate Trump supporters. There's a certain level of disappointment and anger I feel towards people who support a guy whose actions resulted in the needless deaths of tens of thousands of Americans. And the same applies when they support him stealing the election. It's a righteous anger. But the feeling is not hatred. I don't think most of these people are evil or anything.
"They're allowed to be angry and jaded because Trump hired a bunch of Russia flacks and the FBI was forced to investigate" isn't a great argument. It's very sad that practically every right-winger has accepted nonsense like this. The investigation was completely warranted, and speculating over worrying facts is what the media does. They should be angry that Trump hired all of these shady people, and tried to obstruct the investigation, which only made it worse on himself.
I'm really not though. My policy views don't neatly align with any political party.
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 6 2020 01:59pm)
You absolutely described a preference for Trump as illegitimate. Just a couple of pages ago, you quite literally wrote "Nikki Haley is ok, but I cant support her because she helped enable Trump". You call large swaths of the electorate deplorable and want anyone associated with Trump to be ostracized. THAT's the reason why your calls for unity ring so hollow and why I cannot take them seriously.
Now you're conflating the choice of citizens with those of elected officials. Anyone who enabled Trump in government lacks the judgement and courage needed to be in office.
I already responded to this before:
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I don't know what my opinions on some members of the Trump cult has to do with Biden's calls for unity. There's a distinction between what a private individual says on an internet forum and how someone in the public eye behaves. Speaking candidly about those people doesn't contradict my desire that the country becomes more unified, and that public officials help that process.
This isn't complicated. Government officials should act with integrity and civility. They shouldn't dehumanize the opposition. Those in the public eye should try to aim their fire at politicians, not voters, and it should be restrained. IRL, people should treat each other with respect.
I'll give you the last word, because at this point I'm repeating myself over and over.
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