I was misinformed about a few specifics of that story, namely her distancing herself entirely from it and Trump having denounced it recently. I agree with your assessment. HRC now fumbling more often than I figured would happen... Funny to see the campaign with the experience bumbling up a few pretty easy plays recently. For instance it took a while for the message of HRC fainting to morph into "she's working herself to the bone and was overtaken with grief from the memorial." 2 pretty obvious responses...

What really pains me is seeing shit like this:
http://www.npr.org/2016/09/16/494231757/without-apology-trump-now-says-obama-was-born-in-the-u-s



Meanwhile this is how they reported on Bush's rove black baby whispers targeting McCain:

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2012/01/21/145574138/dirty-politics-as-usual-in-south

Kinda makes me sad when the ordinarily fairly unbiased NPR just goes fullblown shill mode as it has for Hillary this year. Not just versus Trump, but during the primaries against Sanders too.
Everyone and their mother knows Hillary's campaign was behind the pictures of Obama in kenyan garb and birther movement, and it popped up during the primaries right as hillary started losing momentum, gee, wasn't hard to put together
But now they're trying to push it as "It was done by grass roots unaffiliated far left fringe supporters of clinton, not herself!" and then claim it as unequivocally false.

So my question is, if you have to be in such a blatant damage control mode, why the ruddy hell would you push the story to the forefront and bring it up in the first place? First the basket of deplorables, her impromptu twerking and now resurrecting the birther movement, she's in freefall

I'm actually shocked that Trump went ahead and admitted Obama was born in the United States.... the media began the day focusing on his past birtherism and Trump put the fire out. He must be listening to his people now... which is not good for Democrats.

This post was edited by IceMage on Sep 16 2016 11:14am

much rage such wow.
some members of the media trashing Trump's new D.C. Hotel cuz he didn't answer questions 1 time out of the last what, 100? they should demand such a level of availability across the board.

lol he really got to them didn't he:


relevant to Goom's post, maybe some more memory/"i cannot recall" issues. who knows.



meanwhile, look who is targeting low income workers for every last penny. just horrible!

Did HRC ever actually question the origin of BO's birth? Or was it just something subordinates did? I remember it coming out, and her immediately saying, almost within a month, that it was just a distraction, around the time she said a Muslim could be POTUS in regards to Obama's crypto-Islam. I know a lot of the activity started by her supporters, and the particular supporter who did it was a Truther who was part of Democrats for McCain.

If your hypothesis is that Trump was an agent of the Clinton's in their conspiracy to spread this, part of her team of subordinates in trying to derail the presidential aspirations of phenomenon Barack Obama, how does that exonerate him now again?

Is she ever on the record being a Birther/Truther? Is Trump on the record as being one of those?

Have either of the people involved, when proven to be wrong in their rumor-mongering, retracted their opinion and admitted they were mistaken?



She did leave it out there for a month or two before she herself said it was nonsense.

Trump for his part said that he had hired some private investigators to see what was true and now after seeing all the evidence he has serious doubts about Obama's nationality. I must have missed the press conference where he revealed all the evidence. Any statement made by Donald Trump is completely worthless, which is the only thing consistent about what he says.

When I google "Hillary started birther" I get the same story about her subordinates and no actual statement by her. I see Trump being one of her agent's in this conspiracy if you are right that it is a big HRC conspiracy, which just makes him a useful pawn. White Identity Politics has really taken off in the past year....The racism within the Tea Party that the Koch's tried their best to suppress enough to be palatable has boiled over and now we're seeing a platform one would expect to see in the South during the Jim Crow era.

Of course she knew what was going on and was letting it play out to her advantage. She is a good politician. Which is why she is enormously successful. Go ahead and google how many laws she coauthored with Republicans in the Senate who vowed they would never work with her. She would work with them all again and we can have a productive Congress instead of an actual Do Nothing Congress. Aren't you tired of all the grid lock? If this goes like everything else in Clinton's career, she is going to have vitriolic opposition to getting a job, get a job and do great and have high approval ratings, her enemies will vow to work with her, but end up working with her extensively because she isn't at all what they thought she was, and then she will move on to the next level of success and advancement, get the same criticism until she gets the job and does great, and her enemies who spit and piss themselves when they meet her end up liking her and working with her successfully.

She is going to be a good president. People are going to have their doubts as women and minorities finally enter the halls of power, it is okay it is happening. And the backlash is expected....some people just hate change....but You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.

Politics is really dirty. Trump made a good move here in how he handled this.

This post was edited by Skinned on Sep 16 2016 11:35am

Skimmed through this and I'm reminded of a jeb/McCain incident about some illegitamite child

The first guy who did it was Jefferson, who hired reporters to assassinate the characters of people he was running against. Him and John Adams were brothers in arms until Jefferson slaughtered him during their reelection through slander and libel through agents in the media.

Only somebody completely ignorant or oblivious to the history of American politics can be surprised or appalled by this. It is every single election lol.

This post was edited by Skinned on Sep 16 2016 11:42am

Mccain was a birther victim as well fwiw. Before (c)lintons movement started on Obama. That whole Panama issue thing.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us/politics/28mccain.html



The founders were downright nasty in the propaganda against each other. Hell Hamilton died as a result of such a conflict

This post was edited by excellence on Sep 16 2016 11:57am

Lmao @ Trump letting jimmy falon mess up his hair last night, something Hillary would never ever do haha. Donald showing some humility/self-deprivation will be good for him

She did a whisper campaign. She never officially tied herself to it, but she had subordinates dig out pictures of Obama in muslim garb and question whether he's really a muslim kenyan. The closest you'll get to *officially* linking her is campaign documents showing they strategized to attack Obama's "foreignness" and an interview or two where she refused to directly rebuke it, but instead danced around it with tricky wording to leave open the possibility he's a muslim.
Now, it was extremely obvious clinton was behind it at the time. It doesn't matter whether it was officially her or her campaign or if it can never be officially linked to her. It cropped up during the primaries of Obama v Clinton, not the general election, McCain actually played it cleaner than Clinton. It only appeared in the news once Clinton started getting hammered. And political insiders have talked out it since with just the general assumption clinton ordered it- Powell's emails just this week talked about how Obama himself approached the Clinton campaign and asked her to stop playing dirty, and she refused.

No politician would ever link themselves to dirty tricks like this. Bush did it via Karl Rove during his primary against McCain, with supposedly 3rd party polls that asked questions like "Would you be more or less likely to vote for John McCain if you knew he fathered an illegitimate black child out of wedlock", because he has an adopted daughter from bangladesh who looks black. It sunk mccain in the primaries and got bush elected. He swift boated kerry along those same lines.


Nobody in washington has ever had any doubts who was behind the birther movement. Its an open secret, Hillary played dirty, using tricks she borrowed from Rove. But you can bet your ass nobody is ever going to be able to officially link her to it any more than they did bush to the black baby campaign. There are no official statements, this is the kind of surreptitiously done whisper campaign that takes extra pains to leave no paper trail. But when the media starts trumpeting that trump is lying when he calls her out on it and saying its false, thats blatant misreporting and unethical biased bullshit.