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Both articles are peddling the notion of 'dealing with the evil bad guys from the lands to the east'

Hussein was such a threat to global stability that disarming killing him led to more instability.

Russia was deemed a non-factor by Obama during the last election and Se(c)retary Clinton hit the reset button with them years back - whats with the fearmongering about them. The only propoganda being perpetrated is by the American Democrats, blaming 'Russia' for everything that makes them look bad- including official FBI reports.

A clear display of foolish extremely careless and unreasonable rhetoric when proper diplomacy is necessary.


Do you remember the stuff that was happening in the 90's/early 00's at all? Hussein was definitely a threat to its surrounding countries. He had ignored the sovereignty of neighbouring nations many times before. Whether invasion was necessary can be disputed, but I'm just comparing the two articles from the Economist, not the reality. And comparing those two there are differences in how they are approached. The titles are sensationalist, but that's hardly something that changed over the years in the USA.

I do agree that Clinton takes too harsh a stance on Russia, but Russia certainly hasn't made it easy for itself. Just recently they said they would release their radar data on MH17 but they still have not done so. They've also had some questionable actions around the Baltics where it seems they are testing the waters, ignoring borders with both ships and aircraft.
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Do you remember the stuff that was happening in the 90's/early 00's at all? Hussein was definitely a threat to its surrounding countries. He had ignored the sovereignty of neighbouring nations many times before. Whether invasion was necessary can be disputed, but I'm just comparing the two articles from the Economist, not the reality. And comparing those two there are differences in how they are approached. The titles are sensationalist, but that's hardly something that changed over the years in the USA.

I do agree that Clinton takes too harsh a stance on Russia, but Russia certainly hasn't made it easy for itself. Just recently they said they would release their radar data on MH17 but they still have not done so. They've also had some questionable actions around the Baltics where it seems they are testing the waters, ignoring borders with both ships and aircraft.


The US and Great Britain are the only countries standing in between Russia taking over Holland and all the other former satellite states.
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The US and Great Britain are the only countries standing in between Russia taking over Holland and all the other former satellite states.


Onky the US is allowed to rule the world.
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Oct 24 2016 06:03am
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Onky the US is allowed to rule the world.


Must be hard switching back and forth between blind patriotism and cynicism of your government and economic positioning.

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Oct 24 2016 06:04am
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The US and Great Britain are the only countries standing in between Russia taking over Holland and all the other former satellite states.


Russia might be interested in some of the former sattelite states, but they value ethnicity above all. Current Russia is not very interested in countries with small ethnic Russian populations.

And you're overplaying the UK's military influence here. Over the last decade they have been little more than the US' lap dog. The USA is the hegemon, and the UK will follow it's global policy.
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Russia might be interested in some of the former sattelite states, but they value ethnicity above all. Current Russia is not very interested in countries with small ethnic Russian populations.

And you're overplaying the UK's military influence here. Over the last decade they have been little more than the US' lap dog. The USA is the hegemon, and the UK will follow it's global policy.


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The US and Great Britain are the only countries standing in between Russia taking over Holland and all the other former satellite states.


I'm pretty sure France is a nuclear power too. And with conventional arms, I think Germany, France and the UK could go toe to toe with Russia.
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LOL, the war hawks are hungry

As much as I support war, I don't for the wrong reasons.
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