If we stop aid to israel, as in direct military support as seen in this conflict, israels ability to fight a guerilla war on all four sides of her borders decreases dramatically. America is actively shooting down mussles/drones headed for israel from Yemen on the daily.

It's the presence of American led navy convoys that is the biggest deterrent against an all out missle assault against the iron dome (imo). Israel stopped needing money from us a long time ago, now all it wants is our latest tech and continued support in the form of military hardware scaring the muslims. That's why when I see the deteriorating support for Israel from the American public, I realize that Israel is starting to bite off more than it can chew

Really? So how does Israel support itself? I believe they are a net importer of materials and other products. They don't really produce much of anything, their land is pretty arid.

If Israel was actually ever close to getting overrun and losing significant people/territory, you know what would happen right? The surrounding spawn spots of these attacks would probably get a tactical nuke dropped on them. If that ever happens you'd see Habibis calm down real quick

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i think its a realistic possibility that rockets are fired knowing they'll be intercepted. its potentially even possible that october 7th wasn't expected to have the success it did. perhaps leadership thought many soldiers would be intercepted and the iron dome would fair better against a barrage than it did. we can't change a factor and assume all things are equal. i do not believe that the Shi'ite factions of the region with a real stake of control desire Israel gone from the region. Israel is a unifying factor for them domestically, if it were gone they'd face "what's next" pressure from their populace. Iran doesnt want that, qatar doesnt want that, etc. They want a boogeyman, they can fire rockets knowing 99/100 will be intercepted, and tell their people they're fighting a holy war.



i already gave u the #s. we are responsible for 3% of israel's total budget.

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I'm well aware of the Samson Option. The problem is that Israel has done plenty of war games in this scenario and they always determined that the casualties they would suffer as a result from turning the ME into glass, was unacceptable.

The second the first nuke flies, every single Israeli not living in the holy land gets hunted down and Muslims zero rush the border. Even destroying one desalination plant in Israel is a national crisis

that would all but guarantee Israel is wiped off the face of the earth

I completely agree with your statement but the civilian populations in these countries are now starting to get real uppity and they don't care about international politics. Every Muslim in the world is chanting From the river to the sea, there is only one solution.

The leaders of these countries are well aware that they can't be seen as publicly supporting Israel against Palestine, those days are over. The amount of Arabs complaining now that they're not doing enough and Yemen is stealing all the glory is skyrocketing with every passing day.

Time is not on israels side

I don't think we'd see the zerg rush you're predicting. In reality what would happen is some level of pacifity and de-escalation after that. If for example hundreds of thousands are streaming across the border from Jordan and Jordan is nuked. You really think all other Muslim countries would be like ok lets jump on that sword as well?

IMO you'd see a similar outcome to what happened in Japan. Where the cost of fighting is soo extreme that the fighting ends.



Maybe, maybe not. What would you expect them to do sing Kumbaya as Hamas and Co. reenact Oct 7th?

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or it's not on the side of the governing bodies of the islamic nations. would be a real shame to see a coup, real shame. and a coup could mean a 10 year civil war in any of those nations, that a lot of time.

I mean, its not an easy answer right? how do you de-escalate or reverse 20+ years of aggression from both sides? Netanyahu seems hell-bent on ramping things up and it doesnt seem Hamas is going to back down either