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Dec 14 2023 10:46am
Quote (JessiWan @ 14 Dec 2023 18:37)
Aid is not just about propping up the military. Israel requires Western aid in other important areas, for example I have read that their healthcare system is funded by US aid money. If you withhold this money from them, their military won't be directly affected but the country as a whole might have trouble maintaining itself. The end result is still a floundering Israel.

Whether a country can thrive is not solely determined whether it has a working army.


Our healthcare system is not funded by US.
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you're hopping between contexts. withholding aid is a political decision. if politicians vote to cancel aid, politicians will be subject to scrutiny with what follows. just as for years politicians have had Iraq war votes held against them. and thats why no politician will touch aid, they're scared.

but of course the real context you're missing is that i personally am, and always have been, against aid to israel. we should pay them some small amount in return for the intel they give us, because they have for decades, but that's it. MAYBE 10% of what they receive today.

im just speaking about reality, as a pragmatist, not my own personal moral calls. arguing only based on your morals is middle school behavior.


Israel is much more than intel to the US
And you dont even realize how much

The outcome will be the same with or without US money


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Our healthcare system is not funded by US.


Israel is much more than intel to the US
And you dont even realize how much

The outcome will be the same with or without US money


such as? open to any specifics.
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Dec 14 2023 10:59am
Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 14 2023 08:31am)
you're hopping between contexts. withholding aid is a political decision. if politicians vote to cancel aid, politicians will be subject to scrutiny with what follows. just as for years politicians have had Iraq war votes held against them. and thats why no politician will touch aid, they're scared.


I didn't ask what consequence there is for a politician to stop aid to Israel. I am asking you why as a whole we feel like we are obligated to give them aid. Why is Israel's continued existence any of our concerns?

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im just speaking about reality, as a pragmatist, not my own personal moral calls. arguing only based on your morals is middle school behavior.


Lmao, I am pretty sure you didn't go to a university. Or if you did, you did not take philosophy. They teach you about this stuff in philosophy courses. It's called political ethics. But apparently you call this "arguing only based on one's morals". Please stop publicly showcasing your lack of education, I am embarrassed for you.
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Quote (thesnipa @ 14 Dec 2023 18:50)
such as? open to any specifics.


Google it
From economy, to military, to education, to agriculture, billions of dollars invested in American companies and much more.

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Dec 14 2023 11:01am
Quote (JessiWan @ Dec 14 2023 10:59am)
I didn't ask what consequence there is for a politician to stop aid to Israel. I am asking you why as a whole we feel like we are obligated to give them aid. Why is Israel's continued existence any of our concerns?



Lmao, I am pretty sure you didn't go to a university. Or if you did, you did not take philosophy. They teach you about this stuff in philosophy courses. It's called political ethics. But apparently you call this "arguing only based on one's morals". Please stop publicly showcasing your lack of education, I am embarrassed for you.


i dont, so does that answer it?

as to the rest, why is gaza's continue existence any of our concern?

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Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 14 2023 09:01am)
i dont, so does that answer it?

as to the rest, why is gaza's continue existence any of our concern?


Did you take philosophy courses in university
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Quote (JessiWan @ Dec 14 2023 11:05am)
Did you take philosophy courses in university


yes. i was pre-law in undergrad so i took several (3 i think) courses in philosophy. then a legal philosophy course in law school. (i dropped out of law school, im not a lawyer).
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Dec 14 2023 11:08am
Israel is a direct and powerful outpost of civilization & enlightenment in the Middle East - only an enemy of our society would not want to fund it. The goal is expansion of Israel over time to force out the Muslims

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Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 14 2023 09:07am)
yes. i was pre-law in undergrad so i took several (3 i think) courses in philosophy. then a legal philosophy course in law school. (i dropped out of law school, im not a lawyer).


Then you should know that in philosophy they sometimes talk about ethics.
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Quote (El1te @ Dec 14 2023 09:08am)
Israel is a direct and powerful outpost of civilization & enlightenment in the Middle East - only an enemy of our society would not want to fund it.


There are those of us who do not want to fund Israel's existence. If you think funding Israel is so important, take money out of your checking account to give to their government. Do not force the rest of us to pay.


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