Quote (thundercock @ 22 Oct 2020 16:46)

It's a waste based on our electoral system. I agree that voting 3rd party would work if you could guarantee some sort of representation in the legislature or something like that.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 22 2020 04:01pm)

But that's how lefties will interpret the 2020 election if it indeed turns out to be a landslide: a mandate for a bold progressive agenda. And unlike Trump who got in based on anti-Hillary and anti-elite backlash, they will have the full support of the media and bureaucracy. If they get to a 53:47 Senate majority or something like that, they can nuke the filibuster, give DC statehood to bring their majority to 55:47, grant large-scale amnesty, pack the courts etc. pp.

I agree that the coming 4 years will probably be a lame duck-ish transition period if Democrats defeat Trump, but it's by a somewhat close margin and they dont win the Senate, or only a bare majority. But there is a real possibility for it to be a landslide thats opens the door for structural reforms which permanently shift the country significantly to the left.


Goom thinks that none of this partisan power grab stuff will come to pass because Biden will not go along with it. I disagree, for his entire career, Biden has always been an unideological opportunist who accomondates to the center of gravity of his party. And there is a real danger for Biden to die or step down, which would lead to president Harris - and I'm sure that she would be more than happy to pursue these policies.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Oct 22 2020 03:38pm)

Not okay that Biden did it, but that there's less outrage is expected because the magnitude is expected. Trump has basically kept all of his businesses afloat by directing foreign nationals to his hotels at inflated prices, he's kept more of his properties above water by making secret service rent out rooms, has given national security secrets to Russia, made arms deals with Saudi Arabia after some murky financial dealings and fired the IG that was looking into them, etc. etc.

Neither are good, one's clearly worse, like pretty much every issue between the two.

Yang Tulsi would have been a pretty great ticket.

Quote (thesnipa @ 22 Oct 2020 17:20)

If the worst is true of both im honestly not sure who is worse. Self dealing to ur own hotels vs literal bribery by America's number 1 enemy.

Anyways I don't buy any of the trump lowered the standards excuses. I wasn't raised like that.

Quote (excellence @ Oct 22 2020 04:22pm)

yeah despite his faults and fuck-ups he definitely isnt to blame there. the new guy is to blame for a 50+ year trend created by swamp demons?? easy cop-out for the uninformed who ALWAYS vote for swamp demons

Quote (bogie160 @ Oct 22 2020 04:19pm)

It's not at all dissimilar to the situation in Hong Kong, or to Erdogan's Turkey post coup.

Once back in power, I don't expect the powers that be to allow something like this to happen again. Holdovers from the previous regime will be purged for thought crime, the Senate and Courts will be packed, the intelligence services will be weaponized against the right, and the far left intellectual fashion of the day will become the official policy of the United States government.

Nothing will be done with respect to UBI, the deficit, tax policy, and the horde of other policy crises which afflict the country. But that's par for the course whichever party holds power.

Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 22 2020 04:20pm)

If the worst is true of both im honestly not sure who is worse. Self dealing to ur own hotels vs literal bribery by America's number 1 enemy.

Anyways I don't buy any of the trump lowered the standards excuses. I wasn't raised like that.

Quote (Goomshill @ 22 Oct 2020 23:19)

I certainly agree with the danger of a Harris presidency. But think of it this way. Is there anyone in the lead of the democratic party who is more resistant to the wings and inclined to hold the center line even against that pull of gravity? I mean, Joe Biden is one of the old guard of Feinstein / Pelosi / Schumer / etc who have spent years suppressing the radicals, and even as they ride their wave passively this year, they've made an effort to crush the Bernie loyalties, bring them to heel at the DNC and resist their platform. Joe Biden has campaigned on how he beat the fringes.

I think those same prognostications about the liberal fringes controlling the nominee could have been made about anyone this race. It is less true of Joe Biden than it would be for Harris, Booker, Bernie, Warren, Bloomberg, Buttigieg, Steyer, etc etc etc

Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 22 2020 01:13pm)

Holy shit
https://twitter.com/MikeEmanuelFox/status/1319280974044131328

Tony Bobulinski has shared perhaps the most obviously damning bit of evidence yet, a text message from Hunter Biden / Bobulinksi's business partner in China, James Gilliar

https://i.imgur.com/TlFeFFx.png

So lets be clear: We have pretty damning evidence that Joe Biden was involved and taking bribe money directly from the Chinese Communist Party elite
We're talking full blown Manchurian Candidate here. Remember all that stuff about 'the president being compromised by leverage a foreign adversary holds over them with a scandal'?
Well, Joe Biden was taking millions in Chinese bribes. He was involved, he was taking a cut of Hunter Biden's share