The West could cut off aid to Israel.

You can't explain why the use of white phosphorus is not a war crime, but you are very good at screaming that we are trying to make bullets a war crime.

Is this really confirmed though?? I have doubts. Houthis really lobbying hard for some freedom and democracy if true.

very logical, the west fearing being attached to the gEnOcIdE of the muslim world, will cut off aid and be attached to the actual genocide of the jewish world.

tbh tho in reality if the west does cut off aid it wont change much. even the big players in the region that are in truth against Israel do not want for Israel to leave the middle east. they're a convenient boogeyman, and dont control enough land to bother a war over. Iran loves that Israel exists, they're a perfect subject for propaganda pieces on the incongruity of Islam and all other cultures. its a theocracy's wet dream. if Iran did declare war the Saudis would step in.

the idea that israel requires western aid, and let's be honest United States aid, to maintain a technological superiority over any force that would attack them, is false. always has been. they're 100 years ahead of Hamas, and a good margin ahead of Hezbollah. Iran has a mix of cold war russia tech and discount priced modern russia weapons and north korean weapons. not exactly a first world military, as formidable as it is in size.



i actually did explain it already lol. the second half is u not understanding sarcasm.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Dec 14 2023 10:20am

Yes, not giving money to people means you are contributing to their genocide. This is perfect logic.

Hint: The West does not owe Israel money. The West does not owe them shit. The West is not responsible for any genocide that might follow as the consequence of withholding aid money, either.

you're hopping between contexts. withholding aid is a political decision. if politicians vote to cancel aid, politicians will be subject to scrutiny with what follows. just as for years politicians have had Iraq war votes held against them. and thats why no politician will touch aid, they're scared.

but of course the real context you're missing is that i personally am, and always have been, against aid to israel. we should pay them some small amount in return for the intel they give us, because they have for decades, but that's it. MAYBE 10% of what they receive today.

im just speaking about reality, as a pragmatist, not my own personal moral calls. arguing only based on your morals is middle school behavior.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Dec 14 2023 10:32am

If Iran enters the war on behalf of the Palestinians, Saudi will absolutely not declare war against them. Even the Saudis can't be seen as that pro-israel and the people would revolt against the royal family.

Everyday Islam unites even more, and the chance of distraction "brother wars" to destabilize the ME, decreases with every bomb that's dropped in Gaza.

You are seeing,in real time, muslims putting aside their historic differences to fight a common enemy. The only group of people that have the ability to defend Israel are, once again, Americans.

Aid is not just about propping up the military. Israel requires Western aid in other important areas, for example I have read that their healthcare system is funded by US aid money. If you withhold this money from them, their military won't be directly affected but the country as a whole might have trouble maintaining itself. The end result is still a floundering Israel.

Whether a country can thrive is not solely determined whether it has a working army.

To be fair most info from the Red Sea I'd hard to confirm but this one is because Israelis ate talking about it aswell. There are two more "incident reports" claiming that another two tankers were turned away but nothing concrete yet

im not convinced that any islamic force could in reality win a war against israel even without us involvement. at least in the context that nukes and large amounts of missiles would be out. iran fires at jeruselum, israel fires at tehran. saudis fire, israel fires at mecca. no one's dusting off the big toys, so it's all conventional arms. no one wants that fight in reality, so they all hamstring themselves enough they cant take out israel.



sure, i just disagree with the idea they'd flounder. they are a massive weapons manufacturer and have many flourishing industries.

the US sends 14.5b$ to israel in 2023, israel's total state budget is 484b$. so we give them 3%. having to settle with 97% and they'll collapse? happy to talk numbers, not feelings tho.