Quote (cambovenzi @ Nov 2 2020 04:32pm)

That doesn't even make sense.

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I am somewhat concerned for cambo as he's gotten more hostile/angry over the years instead of mellowing out

Quote (cambovenzi @ Nov 2 2020 06:57pm)

Im not going to pretend im not better than communists, especially when they falsely accuse me of being alt-right and condescend me.

I corrected the record.
I'm not alt right. Communism is evil.

I can see why someone who puts communist dictators on their birthday cake might not like that, but too bad.

Quote (Mangix @ Nov 2 2020 09:01pm)

Its possible you aren't alt-right,

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but if you overlap on every major issue, then in the end the distinction is irrelevant.

Quote (cambovenzi @ Nov 2 2020 09:16pm)

oh its possible? glad to hear it!



what are all the major issues and what are my positions on them?

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Tucker is an important and often well-reasoned voice and a very significant improvement on the stereotypical fox news host and cable TV news hosts in general.

Quote (Goomshill @ Nov 2 2020 10:09pm)

This is Trump’s America: the most unemployed since the Great Depression, millions on the verge of eviction or foreclosure; more than 228,000 dead due to the pandemic with the virus spiking to new heights in states across the country.

The United States has the worst COVID-19 per capita death toll in the world — effects made far worse by the catastrophic failure of leadership or management by the Trump administration.

Large areas of the country have been savaged by extreme weather caused by the climate change that the president scorns as a hoax. We see record demonstrations across the country for justice and police reform, even as the president fans the flames of hate. This is not a record that deserves another term.

One of Trump’s campaign slogans is “Promises made, promises kept,” but that too is a lie. He said he would “clean the swamp” in a Washington D.C. infested with private lobbies and special interests. Instead. he’s presided over a predator’s ball, weakening the civil service, and inviting the lobbyists to feast on a pay-to-play administration.

He promised to end the endless wars — a promise I agreed with — but the wars go on despite his bluster. He promised a manufacturing revival, but America has lost jobs in this sector on his watch.

He promised his tax cuts would benefit working people. But, in fact, the rich made out like bandits, and inequality — already extreme — has gotten much worse. He promised a long overdue infrastructure program and never produced it. He promised a health care plan that would be cheaper and better than Obamacare and never produced it.

He inherited a growing economy and has left it in shambles. His mismanagement of the pandemic has been disastrous for working people and the economy. Mocking masks and social distancing, claiming that the virus would “magically” disappear, he not only cost lives, he helped crater the economy when his magical thinking proved wrong.

Then he failed abjectly to get his fellow Republicans to do what is vital to sustain working families in the pandemic. He joined with Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell to sabotage the House rescue bill passed months ago that would have sustained unemployment aid to those whose jobs are shut down.

Trump didn’t provide adequate aid to small businesses and schools to pay for the safety measures required to start up again during the pandemic. His administration never put forth clear rules about health and safety on the job that would protect essential workers.

Even more ominously, Trump is acting in ways that will undermine our future. The failure of common sense about the pandemic will cost thousands more lives and impede any economic recovery. His opposition to support for states and localities that are suffering a collapse in revenue, even as the pandemic causes soaring costs, will force the layoff of workers and cutback in services that will deepen the recession.

His denial of climate change and systematic rollback of environmental protections condemns the next generation to a hellish struggle against the elements. His relentless efforts to discredit this election, and his party’s commitment to voter suppression, to impede even the counting of the votes, to curtail a complete census count are undermining the faith in our very democracy.

The Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King taught that the arc of history is long but it bends toward justice. On the economy, on health, on climate, on race, on democracy, on inequality, Donald Trump is on the wrong side of history and heading backward. Former Vice President Joe Biden, Sen. Kamala Harris and the majority coalition that they are building are calling America forward.

Trump says that he “takes no responsibility” and campaigns as if he had not been president over the past four years. On Tuesday, Americans can ensure that he isn’t for the next four years.

Quote (Mangix @ Nov 2 2020 10:05pm)

I should have been clearer. You support them on every current major issue. You push their agenda and their narrative, I would assume unknowingly.

I started going through your posts to catalog some stuff about your stances on certain things and I'm about 20 pages deep and almost every post is about race or something a sjw did. So maybe my initial claim was spot on.
You actually have half decent takes on the police, but you're super quick to try and make sure race isn't the issue, even though race is a critical factor apparently in how police conduct themselves.
So basically covering for racists and even using their anti-intellectual talking points to do so.

If you want I can repost the 20 something studies on how race is definitely an issue when it comes to policing and put that whole topic to bed for you.

The trend seems to be you disagree on something regarding race, someone tells you you're wrong, you say no you're wrong without actually providing any data, they say no back, you say no back and disregard basic truths about race relations in america, and then they stop responding to you because its most likely tiring.

I'm being genuine here when I say its hard to find a topic you're posting on that doesn't at least loosely involve race, which is strange to say the least.

Quote (cambovenzi @ Nov 2 2020 10:28pm)

You've tried to boil "every major issue" down to 'you dont accept the left's race narrative on policing so ur alt right'
total nonsense.

I dont need you to copy paste some garbage you think supports your narrative and confirms your bias.
I would prefer you to use some critical thinking and realize that you are wrong.
Racial disparities and racism being the primary driver of those disparities are two radically different things.

Incorporate opposing views and my actual statements and points into the equation. Consider them on merit, not just identifying whether or not they align with your leftist orthodoxy.

You haven't identified any 'anti-intellectual talking points'

Disagreeing with leftists and their racial obsession is not the same as being alt-right.
Its perfectly valid and moral to criticize SJWs and leftists.


Poisoning every point of disagreement with a lens of 'the alt-right is also against me so you are doing their bidding.' is fallacious garbage.

That you choose to see race in every issue doesn't mean I am always talking about race. A cursory review of even my recent posts show many where race is never mentioned.

Besides you being wrong about the root cause of policing issues, what are the other major issues in your mind?

Quote (Mangix @ Oct 24 2020 11:19pm)

https://www.sentencingproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Black-Lives-Matter.pdf
Eliminating Racial Inequity in the Criminal Justice System
-Studies seem to indicate about 61-80% of black over-representation in prisons can be explained by higher black crime rates, with the unexplained portion largely attributable to racial bias.
-The factors which lead to disproportionate criminality amongst black Americans are also in large part a product of racial bias. Underfunded public programs, redlining, generational poverty, bad schooling, and myriad other factors which influence criminality can also be traced to racial bias.

https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/03/04/ferguson_police_department_report.pdf
Investigation of the Ferguson Police Department
-Between 2012 and 2014, black people in Ferguson accounted for 85 percent of vehicle stops, 90 percent of citations and 93 percent of arrests, despite comprising 67 percent of the population.
-Blacks were more than twice as likely as whites to be searched after traffic stops even after controlling for related variables, though they proved to be 26 percent less likely to be in possession of illegal drugs or weapons.
-Between 2011 and 2013, blacks also received 95 percent of jaywalking tickets and 94 percent of tickets for “failure to comply.” The Justice Department also found that the racial discrepancy for speeding tickets increased dramatically when researchers looked at tickets based on only an officer’s word vs. tickets based on objective evidence, such as a radar.
-Black people facing similar low-level charges as white people were 68 percent less likely to see those charges dismissed in court. More than 90 percent of the arrest warrants stemming from failure to pay/failure to appear were issued for black people.

http://www.justicepolicy.org/uploads/justicepolicy/documents/vortex.pdf
The Concentrated Racial Impact of Drug Imprisonment and the Characteristics of Punitive Counties
-While White & Black Americans admit to using and selling illicit drugs at similar rates, Black Americans are VASTLY more likely to go to prison for a drug offense.
-In 2002, Black Americans were incarcerated for drug offenses at TEN TIMES the rate of White Americans.
-Today, Blacks are 3.7x as likely to be arrested for a marijuana offense as Whites, despite similar usage.
-97% of “large-population counties” have racial biases in their drug offense incarceration.

https://www.pnas.org/content/115/37/9181
Militarization fails to enhance police safety or reduce crime but may harm police reputation
-Police militarization does not lead to a decrease in crimes committed or officer injuries, may actually increase both.
-Police militarization (including the adoption of SWAT teams) decreases public trust in police, which may contribute to increases in crime.
-Militarized police are disproportionately deployed in African American communities, even when accounting for crime rates.

https://www.acludc.org/sites/default/files/2020_06_15_aclu_stops_report_final.pdf
Racial Disparities in stops by the D.C. Metropolitan Police Department
-This ACLU report reviews 5 months’ of data from DC police stops & searches by race and outcome.
-The black population of DC is 25% greater than the white population, but black people were 410% more likely to be stopped by the police than white people
-This disparity increases to 1465% for stops which led to n*o warning, ticket or arrest and 3695% for searches which led to no warning, ticket or arrest.
-This data indicates the disproportionate stopping and searching of blacks in the DC area extended massively beyond any disproportionate rate of criminality.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1607.05376.pdf
The Problem of Infra-marginality in Outcome Tests for Discrimination
-Analysis of 4.5 million traffic stops in North Carolina shows blacks and latinos were more likely to be searched than whites (5.4 percent, 4.1 percent and 3.1 percent, respectively).
-Despite this, searches of white motorists were the most likely to reveal contraband (32% of whites, 29% of blacks, 19% of latinos).

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-020-0858-1.pdf
A large-scale analysis of racial disparities in police stops across the United States
Study of nearly 100,000,000 traffic stops conducted across America.
-Analysis finds the bar for searching black and hispanic drivers’ cars is significantly lower than the bar for white drivers.
-Additionally, black drivers are less likely to be pulled over after sunset, when “a ‘veil of darkness’ masks ones’ race”.

https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/research-publications/2017/20171114_Demographics.pdf
Demographic Differences in Sentencing: An Update to the 2012 Booker Report
-Extensive multivariate regression analysis indicates black male offenders receive 19.1% longer federal sentences than similarly-situated white male offenders (white male offenders with similar past offenses, socioeconomic background, etc.)
-This disparity seems to stem mostly from black males being 21.2% less likely to receive non-government sponsored downward departures or variances.
--Non-government sponsored departures and variances refer to deviations from standard sentencing guidelines due to judicial discretion.
-Black males who do receive non government-sponsored departures and variations still serve 16.8% longer sentences than white males on average.
-In contrast, when sentencing length follows standard guidelines, that disparity is only 7.9%, and a substantial assistance departure for both groups nullifies that disparity.
-IN SUMMARY
--Much of the sentencing disparity between similarly situated black males and white males comes down to judicial discretion to deviate from standard sentencing guidelines.

https://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/11/16/black-men-sentenced-to-more-time-for-committing-the-exact-same-crime-as-a-white-person-study-finds/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2e26662cc5f3&httpsredir=1&article=2413&context=articles
Racial Disparity in Federal Criminal Sentences
-Examination of federal data indicates Black Americans spend about 10% more time in prison when compared to comparable Whites who commit the same crimes.
-Additionally, Black arrestees are 75% more likely to be charged with a crime carrying a mandatory minimum sentence.

https://digitalcommons.law.msu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1330&context=facpubs
Report on Jury Selection Study
-Between 1990 and 2010, state prosecutors struck about 53% of black people eligible for juries in criminal cases, as opposed to 26% of white people. The study’s authors testified the odds of this taking place in a race-neutral context were around 1 in 10 trillion.
-After accounting for factors prosecutors select for which tend to correlate with race, black people were still struck twice as often.
-North Carolina’s state legislator had previously passed a law stating death penalty defendants who could demonstrate racial bias in their jury selection could have their sentences changed to life without parole. The legislature later repealed that law.

https://researchrepository.wvu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1315&context=wvlr
Different Shades of Bias: Skin Tone, Implicit Racial Bias, and Judgments of Ambiguous Evidence
-In this study, two groups of mock jurors were given a collection of race-neutral evidence from an armed robbery, with one group’s alleged perpetrator being shown to be light-skinned and the other dark-skinned.
-Jurors were significantly more likely to evaluate ambiguous, race-neutral evidence against the dark-skinned suspect as incriminating and more likely to find the dark-skinned suspect guilty.

https://bja.ojp.gov/sites/g/files/xyckuh186/files/media/document/PleaBargainingResearchSummary.pdf
Government aggregate of data on plea and charge bargaining
-Studies that assess the effects of race find that blacks are less likely to receive a reduced charge compared with whites.
-Studies have generally found a relationship between race and whether or not a defendant receives a reduced charge.
-The majority of research on race and sentencing outcomes shows that blacks are less likely than whites to receive reduced pleas.
-In short, collected data strongly indicates a racial bias against blacks with regards to sentencing and plea bargains.

https://www.yalelawjournal.org/article/mandatory-sentencing-and-racial-disparity-assessing-the-role-of-prosecutors-and-the-effects-of-booker
Mandatory Sentencing and Racial Disparity: Assessing the Role of Prosecutors and the Effects of Booker
-Black men are twice as likely to have charges which carry mandatory minimum sentences filed against them than similarly-situated white men.
-This article recommends against the tightening of judicial discretion, arguing that process has historically led to greater racial sentencing disparities.

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.821.8079&rep=rep1&type=pdf
Race, Ethnicity, and Habitual-Offender Sentencing
-Black defendants with multiple prior convictions are 28% more likely to be charged as “habitual offenders” than similarly-situated white defendants.
-“Assessments of dangerousness and culpability are linked to race and ethnicity, even after offense seriousness and prior record are controlled.”

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/jels.12077
Skin Color and the Criminal Justice System: Beyond Black‐White Disparities in Sentencing
-A study of first-time felons in Georgia found black men received sentences of on average 270 days longer than similarly-situated white males.
-However, when black males were differentiated by skin tone, it was found light-skinned black men saw virtually no disparity in their sentencing while dark-skinned black men actually saw a disparity of around 400 days in prison.

https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/22746/413174-Examining-Racial-and-Ethnic-Disparities-in-Probation-Revocation.PDF
Examining Racial and Ethnic Disparities in Probation Revocation
-The Urban Institute analyzed the histories of four probation offices and found black people were 18-39% more likely than similarly-situated white people to have their probation revoked.

https://files.deathpenaltyinfo.org/legacy/documents/WashRaceStudy2014.pdf
The Role of Race in Washington State Capital Sentencing 1981-2014
-Analysis of 33 years of data from Washington State to determine which characteristics best predict the decision to implement a death sentence.
-Black defendants are 4.5 times as likely to receive a death sentence as similarly-situated whites.
-Other factors (presence of aggravating circumstances, involvement of sex crimes, hostage-taking, etc.) explain only a small fraction of the disparity in prosecutors’ and juries’ decision to invoke the death penalty against black defendents.

https://www.uky.edu/AS/PoliSci/Peffley/pdf/Eberhardt.2006.Psych%20Sci.Looking%20Deathworthy.pdf
Perceived Stereotypicality of Black Defendants Predicts Capital-Sentencing Outcomes
-Analysis of the relationship between racial stereotyping and death sentence convictions.
-Black defendants who possessed darker skin and more “stereotypically black” features were twice as likely to be given the death penalty when accused of murdering a white person, as compared to lighter-skinned blacks with less “stereotypically black” features.
-This disparity disappears completely when the murder victim is black.
-Race was by far the most influential statistical factor.

https://ir.ua.edu/bitstream/handle/123456789/3276/file_1.pdf
Does Appearance Matter?: The Effect of Skin Tones on Trustworthy and Innocent Appearances
-Photos of capital inmates shown to entry-level criminal justice students for them to evaluate the trustworthiness of the faces.
-Students rated pictures of light-skinned inmates as more trustworthy when they preceded pictures of dark-skinned inmates.
-Most study participants (79.9%) were white, but the study predicted that this wasn’t a major factor - “When controlling for race, no statistically significant result was found. This suggests that each race, White and non-White, were consistent in their rating outcomes. Prior research has found similar results, where Whites and light-skinned Blacks are likely to share similar attitudes towards darker-skinned Blacks”

https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2014/03/black-boys-older
Black Boys Viewed as Older, Less Innocent Than Whites, Research Finds
-Students and police officers participated in tests to determine levels of racial bias and perception of innocence.
-Black boys as young as 10 are more likely to be considered criminal or untrustworthy, and more likely to face police violence.

https://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releases/psp-pspi0000092.pdf
Racial Bias in Judgments of Physical Size and Formidability
-Results from three separate studies on perception and racial bias show people have a tendency to perceive black men as larger and more threatening than similarly sized white men.
-Participants also believed the black men were more capable of causing harm in a hypothetical altercation and police would be more justified in using force to subdue them, even if the men were unarmed.
Police officers were tested on dehumanization of blacks by comparing people of different races to animal groups. Police who engaged in higher levels of dehumanization were more likely to use violence against black children.

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The anti-intellectual talking points are your defense you usually use to disregard race as an issue in regards to policing. You don't actually back up any of it with data just vaguely allude to data on occasion. Quoted my post from a diff thread on the topic.