Quote (WhiteSouned @ Dec 14 2023 09:46am)

I agree with you, and I condemn collective punishment.
There is always a but. In this case, after I saw hundreds of videos showing Hamas snipers shooting from residential complexes etc I do understand the IDF calling for an air strike on that apartment.
Your views are too much black and white while all this war is in the grey area, in my opinion.
I’m convinced that the IDF is bombing locations where the enemy is at and not “indiscriminate booming of civilians”. It’s just happened to be that the entire strip has been prepared for years as a base of terror. Hatches and tunnels all over. Almost every house has some sort of infrastructure to support the “resistance”.
I read nothing but people mocking that, saying the IDF labels everything as “Hamas”. I trust completely the IDF and what the IDF is now doing. I’ve served in the IDF and I know its values.
Israel, like any other nation, has its extremists. You won’t hear from the common Israeli that Palestinians are “not humans”. You’ll hear a broad support to the war and the way the IDF is managing it.
With all do respect to the international community , we are the ones that actually live here and need to deal with it. It’s more than a debate to us.

Quote (ferdia @ 14 Dec 2023 11:57)

having a "but" here, is fine. I dont see the world black and white and its a shit situation. thank you for your post, and your humanity. In the round I commend your entire post. No one has a good solution to this conflict and your right, we are not there.

Quote (Many_Names @ Dec 14 2023 10:41am)

The best solution is to clear them out of Gaza to either west bank + more land.
Or to any other country who would accept them like Algeria for example.

Quote (zorzin @ Dec 14 2023 11:11am)

In the south:

Former Israeli Navy Commander Eliezer Merom to Radio 104:
“Israel is under a naval blockade, and shipping traffic from the Red Sea to “Israel” is completely closed.
The naval blockade will have an impact on the entire israeli economy & imported goods will have higher prices.

The goods will arrive late, and a large portion of “israeli” production is manufactured from raw materials coming from the far east.”

In the north:
Americans asking for israel to cede land to keep hezbollah pacified

According to Israeli Minister Benny Gantz, if Hezbollah does not retreat from the border area, Israel will have no choice but to launch a 'broad military campaign' in the North

https://i.postimg.cc/KvjfP1yC/1702515707403685m.jpg

Quote (ferdia @ Dec 14 2023 06:46am)

This makes no sense ? do you have sources ? link ?

Quote (zorzin @ Dec 14 2023 08:38am)

Naval blockade: https://nitter.net/AryJeay/status/1735073000901292086#m

The proposal by Amos Hochstein was leaked so I don't have a source yet to prove that this was In fact the exact details but here's an article stating that these talks are currently happening and that he was instrumental in making the maritime border in 2022 between Israel and Lebanon:

"Ultimately, the plan could even lead to a relaunch of negotiations aimed at defining the Lebanese-Israeli land border and maintaining border stability, while respecting the rules of engagement that were established between the two parties in 2006."

https://today.lorientlejour.com/article/1356616/whats-behind-hochsteins-surprise-visit-to-beirut.html

Quote (zorzin @ Dec 14 2023 01:38pm)

Naval blockade: https://nitter.net/AryJeay/status/1735073000901292086#m

The proposal by Amos Hochstein was leaked so I don't have a source yet to prove that this was In fact the exact details but here's an article stating that these talks are currently happening and that he was instrumental in making the maritime border in 2022 between Israel and Lebanon:

"Ultimately, the plan could even lead to a relaunch of negotiations aimed at defining the Lebanese-Israeli land border and maintaining border stability, while respecting the rules of engagement that were established between the two parties in 2006."

https://today.lorientlejour.com/article/1356616/whats-behind-hochsteins-surprise-visit-to-beirut.html

Quote (ferdia @ Dec 14 2023 03:08am)

no he was not clear, all of the israeli rhetoric and official statements and indiscriminate bombing (and what was said by users in this thread) has shown the world that there is little or no regard for civilians killed, and users have repeatedly said there is no difference between the words Palestinian and Hamas, look they are even combining the two words together now. i.e. no distinction, they are one and the same and they are being treated one and the same (less then dogs), therefore carry on. Israel shall be free from the river to the sea. women and children, innocents, dont have a right to exist they are not a people, they dont have a country and they are not human. thats all i am hearing right now, even when i challenge it i dont get any condemnation just the same deflections over and over and over.

If one side is called barbaric and inhuman when they chant "from the river to the sea" and the other side can do whatever they want (bombing dead 18000+ people). if one side wants to wipe the other side out while the other side IS ACTUALLY WIPING THE OTHER SIDE OUT, how can you not see the double standards ?! Was there not a law that said thou shalt not kill?

How can people not just say:

i condemn the expression from the river to the see when anyone says it
i condemn collective punishment and indiscriminate bombings

it should not be hard to say these things, they are not losing much, they can still say "but we are at war, they killed our people, what else can we do". but no, you wont condemn these acts and hate speech.

mental.

"Israel bombs Gaza as disease stalks displaced residents"
""endless, deepening tragedy… hell on earth".

Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 14 2023 01:41pm)

israel literally tells people where they are going to bomb, and gives them time to leave. and you end up with "little to no regard for civilians killed". who could take such a basic contradiction seriously? "little" is subjective, sure. but "no" is objectively wrong. no other army on earth does this lol.

Quote (ferdia @ Dec 14 2023 08:43am)

Also if the president of the United States says is indiscriminate bombing, .