Quote (ferdia @ Dec 13 2023 03:09pm)
Use by US forces in Iraq
In November 2004, during the Second Battle of Fallujah, Washington Post reporters embedded with Task Force 2-2, Regimental Combat Team 7 stated that they witnessed artillery guns firing white phosphorus projectiles, which "create a screen of fire that cannot be extinguished with water. Insurgents reported being attacked with a substance that melted their skin, a reaction consistent with white phosphorous burns."[12] The same article also reported, "The corpses of the mujaheddin which we received were burned, and some corpses were melted."[12] The March/April 2005 issue of an official Army publication called Field Artillery Magazine reported that "White phosphorus proved to be an effective and versatile munition and a potent psychological weapon against the insurgents in trench lines and spider holes. ... We fired 'shake and bake' missions at the insurgents using W.P. [white phosphorus] to flush them out and H.E. [high explosives] to take them out".[13][14]
The documentary Fallujah, The Hidden Massacre, produced by RAI TV and released 8 November 2005, showed video and photos that they claimed to be of Fallujah combatants and also civilians, including women and children, who had died of burns caused by white phosphorus during the Second Battle of Fallujah.[15]
On 15 November 2005, following denials to the press from the US ambassadors in London and Rome, the US Department of Defense confirmed that US forces had used white phosphorus as an incendiary weapon in Fallujah, in order to drive combatants out of dug-in positions.[15][16] On 22 November 2005, the Iraqi government stated it would investigate the use of white phosphorus in the battle of Fallujah.[17] On 30 November 2005, the BBC quoted US General Peter Pace saying "It [WP munitions] is not a chemical weapon. It is an incendiary. And it is well within the law of war to use those weapons as they're being used, for marking and for screening."[18] Professor Paul Rodgers from the University of Bradford department of peace and conflict studies said that white phosphorus would probably fall into the category of chemical weapons if it was used directly against people.[15]
from this there is a grey area related to white phosphorous. While some users say it is black and white, this to my mind further supports my claim that its a grey area. a grey area is where two or more people disagree on the validity of the statement.
israel is using literal bombs to level entire buildings. what's next? the use of bullets will be a war crime?
its already been established that telling people to leave an area you are going to bomb, and giving them time to leave, is a war crime.
soon we'll be in a "grey area" where war itself is a war crime. maybe even loud speech will be a war crime.
this is fairly humorous, considering the alternative to white phosphorous in this exact context, was to simply bomb the entire village into dust. even if we're calling literally every WP round that was fired as used for incendiary purposes and not at all for smokescreening, that still is a fair bit better than any alternative. and of course this isn't gaza, and hezbollah poses a far more legitimate threat.
This post was edited by thesnipa on Dec 13 2023 03:30pm