even in the most critical lens all they're left with is "ummmmm you guys didnt hit a bunch of people with that stuff that's used for smoke but burns if it contacts skin, but like ummmmm if u had hit a lot of people with that it would be bad".

they're acting like these rounds were fired into a Gazan refugee camp, rather than a mostly abandoned village in Lebanon.



no, my argument is wouldnt be supplied by US if they were a war crime.

there are 2 questions:

1. is the use of white phosphorus inherently a war crime (no is the answer)
2. is the way israel used them a war crime (the answer appears based on what we know to be no)

there are substances that using in any way qualify as a war crime, WP isn't one of them. and of course u can commit war crimes with weapons of war, and that also doesnt appear to be what happened.

what i quoted in that post was from the very same article u posted.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Dec 13 2023 01:14pm

In Lebanon it wasnt used in civilian area.
It was used to reveal hezbollah in dense forests

This post was edited by Many_Names on Dec 13 2023 01:17pm

Not to mention WaPo trying to pull a big ol bullshit out of their bunghole with the "generally prohibited under international humanitarian law" -> "The use of white phosphorus smoke is permitted if used for legitimate military operations, but as with other weapons, its misuse can violate laws of armed conflict. Rights groups have warned that its use should be restricted around civilians because fire and smoke can be spread to populated areas."
Shooting bullets out of guns is "generally prohibited under international humanitarian law" and "restricted around civilians" because "fire" "can be spread to populated areas", amirite?

There are international laws on chemical weapons which very specifically do not apply to white phosphorus because its not a chemical weapon, and there are very vague and pointless international laws on collateral damage to civilians which don't apply to any major power in any conflict, and are agnostic towards the weapons used anyway. A journalist going out and finding a shell casing from an israeli gun is even more damning than finding a WP smoke munition since at least the former could have actually killed someone.



WaPo wants you to think that the spokesman for Amnesty International gets to decide what is and isn't legal under international law

This post was edited by Goomshill on Dec 13 2023 01:20pm

As to your question: I lol'd at you thinking I'm questioning Israel's resolve. Nobody cares about the un

As to your premise, thinking in someway that Oct.7 was a miscalculation by the leaders of hamas:

Life only allows me to skim through the articles, so thanks for the extra insight. I do believe I've got many holes in my reasoning since I have but a slight grasp of the underlying situation. Indeed, you've corrected me many times while I have only said so little
I do not think lowly of people in Israel and I do not hold its population responsible for the acts of its government. Civilians have a right to live life, without interference from Palestinians, Hamas, Egypt, Syria, Jordan or whatever.
And I agree the other parties have had ample chance to extend an olive branch. Religious differences can cause for a great stressor in these conversations.
Still, I do not wish to judge either party as right or wrong. I do believe Palestinians, even when actively choosing a Hamas regime, are not directly responsible for the action of Hamas.
To stick to my earlier analogy, that's equal to claiming that every German who has voted in favour of the social party some 90 years ago are responsible for the acts of its leaders a decade later. I can imagine that people favour Hamas for its active practice in the religion that they support, without failing to condemn their acts of war at a later point in time.
I'm just saying, that a Palestinian neighbour in your street may not be the devil that his namesakes have made him out to be.

A small note of personal thought, I think spirituality can be practiced without a religion, for religion has the same problem as communism and socialism: it is practiced by human beings and will /always/ wind up with someone on top who has an agenda of his or her own, straying from the spiritual practice' path and leaving destruction in its wake of achieving that agenda. Therefore, I do not blame any one being for having a religion - it is a great source of mental fortitude and has even proven to have health benefits. I do blame people who use religion as an excuse to perform deplorable actions, which history has shown us has a 100% incidence rate per religion.

This post was edited by Leeevee on Dec 13 2023 01:57pm

Tunnel shafts? Or actual miles of the sacred tunnels? Genuinely curious because I'm aware that the iof got 4 main shafts and 19 auxiliary(building to building) tunnels in the south, but they used a new version of bunker busting bombs and I guess they just dropped them down?

I don't see water/cement doing anything because making French drains in sand is stupidly easy.

hamas leaders wont get killed regardless, but they still require a level of freedom in gaza to carry out "resistance". that may in truth go away, leading them leaders of imprisoned masses.

So be it

There are mixed reports related to the use of white phosphorous. I am unsure as to when it can and cant be used. i do agree with you that it should NOT be used but i think its a grey area in international law.

My holy words are to the victims in Gaza