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Oct 22 2020 02:26pm
Quote (bogie160 @ 22 Oct 2020 16:20)
Taking millions of dollars in bribes from Chinese officials is orders of magnitude worse than owning a hotel. It's not something we should even waste time discussing.

After years of puffed out chests congratulating each other on his/her own moral superiority, the walls come crashing down the minute credible corruption allegations are levelled against Biden. It is probably the most comically obscene case of hypocrisy in American political history.

its funny because the one’s criticizing “foreign bank accounts” literally do not understand global business. which is odd because this same group loves globalism.

you need a bank account to establish any sort of business - even exploratory ventures in every country. foreign firms have to do it here and American firms have to do it abroad. guaranteed that every major firm or bank that is filled with lefty management has, guess what, bank accounts in China! and Russia! and India and Taiwan and everywhere else they have some presence

it shows how uninformed most of the population is, and the media utilizes it with ridiculous precision to craft a false narrative

Quote (Goomshill @ 22 Oct 2020 16:19)
Its okay, this is a non-story and will all disappear and nobody will care about it and after Biden is elected, nobody will have any reason to bring up his taking millions in bribes from the chinese communist elite
This is the state of our democracy:

https://i.imgur.com/DPXdai7.png

/e improved ^^

just defund this crap already. “We say it isn’t news cuz we said so” lmfao
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Oct 22 2020 02:26pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 22 2020 01:23pm)
well of course, the half-life on pendulum swings for political hypocrisy in 2020 is like 3 months, MAX.

its ok that Biden did it because Trump "lowered the standard for a president", and also Trump has to go because he's an embarrassing president, etc etc etc.

Should have been a Tulsi-Yang ticket or Yang-Tulsi ticket so we could have actually had someone whos a decent person instead of 2 corporatist scumbag panderers.

one thing i do agree with Goom here tho is 2020-2024 is a lame duck presidency, its Covid dealings, some CJ reform, some infrastructure spending, and that's it.


Isn't that a good thing though? I don't think there's any thirst to move the country to the left outside of healthcare reform. Most of Biden's support is anti-Trump backlash.
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Oct 22 2020 02:33pm
Quote (thundercock @ 22 Oct 2020 16:26)
Isn't that a good thing though? I don't think there's any thirst to move the country to the left outside of healthcare reform. Most of Biden's support is anti-Trump backlash.

no we dont vote for lame ducks, we vote for a President and VP.

“I dont like that person” isnt a method to improve matters
we already have free universal affordable healthcare the democrats passed it in 2010. you and I pay for it though.

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Oct 22 2020 02:33pm
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Isn't that a good thing though? I don't think there's any thirst to move the country to the left outside of healthcare reform. Most of Biden's support is anti-Trump backlash.


i mean in the sense that i from a general standpoint for my entire life have been devoutly into incremental change governance, yeah.

but in the sense that i feel we're on the cusp of a fairly troubling freefall into automation and a sham corporate controlled self serving government? no.

honestly i give the american people another 75 years of actual life as we know it with self determination and the ability to create personal wealth, then i think its all over.

im currently working hard to build my business to the point that my children dont depend on employment by anyone. its turned me from a prepper hobbyist to a bit more whacko. i could be wrong of course, but i think its real enough of a possibility to take out some metaphorical insurance.

Yang and or Tulsi both had a chance to start an incremental change movement to soften the blow, ironically in 2 completely different ways, onE in UBI the other in an anti-lobbyist capacity. o well.

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i mean in the sense that i from a general standpoint for my entire life have been devoutly into incremental change governance, yeah.

but in the sense that i feel we're on the cusp of a fairly troubling freefall into automation and a shame corporate controlled self serving government? no.

honestly i give the american people another 75 years of actual life as we know it with self determination and the ability to create personal wealth, then i think its all over.

im currently working hard to build my business to the point that my children dont depend on employment by anyone. its turned me from a prepper hobbyist to a bit more whacko. i could be wrong of course, but i think its real enough of a possibility to take out some metaphorical insurance.

Yang and or Tulsi both had a chance to start an incremental change movement to soften the blow, ironically in 2 completely different ways, on in UBI the other in an anti-lobbyist capacity. o well.

yeah im in the same boat. tbh i kind of loathe my selfish pragmatism with setting up my future family and lineage but whatever.

in the meantime i help out around my local community like i always have. not much an individual can do but when a lot of individuals do good it makes a small difference which is always worth doing

candidates like yang and tulsi will always get my vote. i try to find these types in local elections where more meaningful change may occur
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Oct 22 2020 02:37pm
Quote (excellence @ Oct 22 2020 01:33pm)
no we dont vote for lame ducks, we vote for a President and VP.

“I dont like that person” isnt a method to improve matters
we already have free universal affordable healthcare the democrats passed it in 2010. you and I pay for it though.


We do that all the time. In an era of negative partisanship, you vote for the least worst candidate. It is what it is.

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Oct 22 2020 02:38pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 22 2020 03:23pm)
well of course, the half-life on pendulum swings for political hypocrisy in 2020 is like 3 months, MAX.

its ok that Biden did it because Trump "lowered the standard for a president", and also Trump has to go because he's an embarrassing president, etc etc etc.

Should have been a Tulsi-Yang ticket or Yang-Tulsi ticket so we could have actually had someone whos a decent person instead of 2 corporatist scumbag panderers.

one thing i do agree with Goom here tho is 2020-2024 is a lame duck presidency, its Covid dealings, some CJ reform, some infrastructure spending, and that's it.


Not okay that Biden did it, but that there's less outrage is expected because the magnitude is expected. Trump has basically kept all of his businesses afloat by directing foreign nationals to his hotels at inflated prices, he's kept more of his properties above water by making secret service rent out rooms, has given national security secrets to Russia, made arms deals with Saudi Arabia after some murky financial dealings and fired the IG that was looking into them, etc. etc.

Neither are good, one's clearly worse, like pretty much every issue between the two.

Yang Tulsi would have been a pretty great ticket.
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Oct 22 2020 02:39pm
Quote (thundercock @ 22 Oct 2020 16:37)
We do that all the time. In an era of negative partisanship, you vote for the least worst candidate. It is what it is.

least worst is subjective and in general its an absurd notion, since i’d counter with vote third party or write in someone like yang or gabbard, and you’d say its a waste and not worth doing?
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Oct 22 2020 02:46pm
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least worst is subjective and in general its an absurd notion, since i’d counter with vote third party or write in someone like yang or gabbard, and you’d say its a waste and not worth doing?


It's a waste based on our electoral system. I agree that voting 3rd party would work if you could guarantee some sort of representation in the legislature or something like that.
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Oct 22 2020 03:01pm
Quote (thundercock @ 22 Oct 2020 22:26)
Isn't that a good thing though? I don't think there's any thirst to move the country to the left outside of healthcare reform. Most of Biden's support is anti-Trump backlash.


But that's how lefties will interpret the 2020 election if it indeed turns out to be a landslide: a mandate for a bold progressive agenda. And unlike Trump who got in based on anti-Hillary and anti-elite backlash, they will have the full support of the media and bureaucracy. If they get to a 53:47 Senate majority or something like that, they can nuke the filibuster, give DC statehood to bring their majority to 55:47, grant large-scale amnesty, pack the courts etc. pp.

I agree that the coming 4 years will probably be a lame duck-ish transition period if Democrats defeat Trump, but it's by a somewhat close margin and they dont win the Senate, or only a bare majority. But there is a real possibility for it to be a landslide thats opens the door for structural reforms which permanently shift the country significantly to the left.


Goom thinks that none of this partisan power grab stuff will come to pass because Biden will not go along with it. I disagree, for his entire career, Biden has always been an unideological opportunist who accomondates to the center of gravity of his party. And there is a real danger for Biden to die or step down, which would lead to president Harris - and I'm sure that she would be more than happy to pursue these policies.

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