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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/11/13/us-schools-suspend-classes-as-covid-cases-grow-live-news

"Trump says his administration ‘won’t go into lockdown’"

That a boy, keep the markets green and the people dead. Dead people cant sell.

"Trump implied New York may not receive the vaccine after Governor Andrew Cuomo made what the president viewed as disparaging remarks about the treatment."

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Anyone here read The Plague by Camus?


Only read the Stranger. What was that one all about?
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Nov 13 2020 07:46pm
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Only read the Stranger. What was that one all about?


A massive Plague in the city of Oran, French Algeria. Protagonist are a doctor, a priest, and the son of a lawyer. It is a materialist merchant town dominated by the French and the Arabs are treated about as well as The Stranger (I'm a stranger...killing an Arab...). At first authorities minimize it completely, then it becomes such an overwhelming problem that they react but it is way too strongly with a massive quarantine and was too late. The doctor committed to rationalism and stoicism in the face of overwhelming disaster and came to the conclusion you had to face nihilism head on. The priest at first condemned the people of the town for being godless heathens and said they deserved, until the death of Jacques Orthon a young boy was excruciatingly described which made the priest a little fire and brimstone and his (faith's) answer to the problem of evil is that bad things happen to good and bad alike, and we just have to be tough. He succumbed to it but died well and true to his character. The lawyer's son came to Oran after being disgusted by the rate in which courts were executing people with little evidence and mostly for prejudices and thought of the law as an uncaring meatgrinder for people, which is Camus's endorsement of anarchism and his rejection of the death penalty being available to the state.

In the end nothing anybody did stopped the inevitable descent into disaster and nihilism, but people survived it. At the end the doctor notes that while the plague is gone now it can be under any rock ready to come back at any time.

People consider it an allegory for nihilism, others an allegory for the Nazi occupation of France/France's occupation of Algeria.

Oran is a real city that has experienced numerous plagues.

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A massive Plague in the city of Oran, French Algeria. Protagonist are a doctor, a priest, and the son of a lawyer. It is a materialist merchant town dominated by the French and the Arabs are treated about as well as The Stranger (I'm a stranger...killing an Arab...). At first authorities minimize it completely, then it becomes such an overwhelming problem that they react but it is way too strongly with a massive quarantine and was too late. The doctor committed to rationalism and stoicism in the face of overwhelming disaster and came to the conclusion you had to face nihilism head on. The priest at first condemned the people of the town for being godless heathens and said they deserved, until the death of Jacques Orthon a young boy was excruciatingly described which made the priest a little fire and brimstone and his (faith's) answer to the problem of evil is that bad things happen to good and bad alike, and we just have to be tough. He succumbed to it but died well and true to his character. The lawyer's son came to Oran after being disgusted by the rate in which courts were executing people with little evidence and mostly for prejudices and thought of the law as an uncaring meatgrinder for people, which is Camus's endorsement of anarchism and his rejection of the death penalty being available to the state.

In the end nothing anybody did stopped the inevitable descent into disaster and nihilism, but people survived it. At the end the doctor notes that while the plague is gone now it can be under any rock ready to come back at any time.

People consider it an allegory for nihilism, others an allegory for the Nazi occupation of France/France's occupation of Algeria.


Camus was a lovable fellow. Extreme respect for life and human dignity. He loves portraying the precious value of life through drastic comparison of opposites.

The only reason I read him was because one of my dates suggested it. The detail that stuck out to me from the Stranger was the death of the Arab. I didn't even notice how many luscious romance scenes there were in the book. Too stupid to take the hint, my severe autism at work on full display.
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Nov 13 2020 08:14pm
Quote (SBD @ 13 Nov 2020 18:57)
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/11/13/us-schools-suspend-classes-as-covid-cases-grow-live-news

"Trump says his administration ‘won’t go into lockdown’"

That a boy, keep the markets green and the people dead. Dead people cant sell.

"Trump implied New York may not receive the vaccine after Governor Andrew Cuomo made what the president viewed as disparaging remarks about the treatment."



Cuomo said he wouldn’t accept the vaccine for his state no matter what if it’s rolled out under Trump’s administration

so imagine if the case was Trump does re-election; Cuomo would be telling Fauci to stuff it years from now, even if the guy was begging Cuomo to let people in his state get vaccinated
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Camus was a lovable fellow. Extreme respect for life and human dignity. He loves portraying the precious value of life through drastic comparison of opposites.

The only reason I read him was because one of my dates suggested it. The detail that stuck out to me from the Stranger was the death of the Arab. I didn't even notice how many luscious romance scenes there were in the book. Too stupid to take the hint, my severe autism at work on full display.


Appropriately I've been thinking of rereading The Plague, what with the times and all. I think if Nevada reinstates a stay at home and I end up furloughed again I'll probably bust it out and read it, along with some of his other stuff. I remember being very taken with The Plague when I read it back in 2009 or so, I think maybe it'll be even more significant now.

On topic, Nevada's governor Steve Sisolak has tested positive for COVID. He issued a statement a few days ago saying if the state doesn't lower the positive rates that he'll move us back into "phase 2" of quarantine. I don't see a scenario where that happens, especially with a lot of the Trumpers steadfastly ignoring his pleas and thinking he's a piece of shit (people commonly refer to him as "Sissylack" out here for his precautions regarding the virus).

I was on the way to my second job tonight and got called off right as I was parking because of how slow it is there. Our GM (we work at a restaurant on Fremont street) said it was so slow last night and that he fully believes us to be shut down soon. Personally, I don't think the company survives the plague and I think there are a lot of companies and firms in the same position who survived the first wave of quarantine, spent a lot of money to equip themselves to reopen with "precautions", mainly plastic barriers between gaming spots at bar tops and other partitions, who will not be able to whether another shutdown plus slow period following the easing of quarantine.

Bad times ahead for us peons in service.
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Nov 13 2020 08:44pm
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Appropriately I've been thinking of rereading The Plague, what with the times and all. I think if Nevada reinstates a stay at home and I end up furloughed again I'll probably bust it out and read it, along with some of his other stuff. I remember being very taken with The Plague when I read it back in 2009 or so, I think maybe it'll be even more significant now.

On topic, Nevada's governor Steve Sisolak has tested positive for COVID. He issued a statement a few days ago saying if the state doesn't lower the positive rates that he'll move us back into "phase 2" of quarantine. I don't see a scenario where that happens, especially with a lot of the Trumpers steadfastly ignoring his pleas and thinking he's a piece of shit (people commonly refer to him as "Sissylack" out here for his precautions regarding the virus).

I was on the way to my second job tonight and got called off right as I was parking because of how slow it is there. Our GM (we work at a restaurant on Fremont street) said it was so slow last night and that he fully believes us to be shut down soon. Personally, I don't think the company survives the plague and I think there are a lot of companies and firms in the same position who survived the first wave of quarantine, spent a lot of money to equip themselves to reopen with "precautions", mainly plastic barriers between gaming spots at bar tops and other partitions, who will not be able to whether another shutdown plus slow period following the easing of quarantine.

Bad times ahead for us peons in service.


It's a shame we can't turn off America's rugged individualism for six months to overcome a pandemic.

Trump has really shown how horrible that mindset can be. Before Trump I always appreciated it... these days, not so much.

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Nov 13 2020 08:48pm
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Cuomo said he wouldn’t accept the vaccine for his state no matter what if it’s rolled out under Trump’s administration

so imagine if the case was Trump does re-election; Cuomo would be telling Fauci to stuff it years from now, even if the guy was begging Cuomo to let people in his state get vaccinated


He wants it to go through a secondary review process in NY before going out to the people of his state, because its rushed. Thats it. Other than that hes fine with it.
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It's a shame we can't turn off America's rugged individualism for six months to overcome a pandemic.

Trump has really shown how horrible that mindset can be. Before Trump I always appreciated it... these days, not so much.


If anything I hope that it helps contextualizes individualism in America and helps expose people to the greater needs of a community in times of trouble.

I agree with you, I have argued that Trump is a reflection of society and he is the President we deserve for how our society has grown. On the one hand we have been able to escalate the quality of life, goods, etc. but on the other hand we end up with a group unwilling to deal with distress.
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