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Nov 13 2020 06:41am
Quote (bogie160 @ Nov 13 2020 04:36am)
What countries are equivalent, though? France, Spain, the UK, Italy, and Belgium are better fits from my perspective compared to Austria, Poland, and Germany.

The biggest question is to what extent Europe simply delayed the inevitable. Will they have more cases now as they catch up? Data from France implies they probably might, but we'll have to wait for this to play out.


It's important to remember that the US isn't densely populated whereas most European countries are.

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Nov 13 2020 07:31am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 13 Nov 2020 13:35)
The growth rate is already decreasing in Germany/Italy, our current reproduction number R_t is below zero. Also note that the current wave hit Germany and Italy 1-2 weeks later than France/the UK. All in all, it seems as if we can handle it with the current, much softer lockdowns and dont need to go ham like the French government ("need permit to leave your home" and shit like that).


Only parroting what our new prime minister said about Italy and Germany. Permit (which is not a big deal i complete the thing on my phone in less than 10 seconds - really -) to leave home is necessary because the real problem is younger people selfish assholes thinking they are immune and crowning as much as they can.

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Nov 13 2020 10:26am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Nov 12 2020 11:38pm)
I mean, in terms of dyanamics a comparison between the U.S. and the E.U. is incredibly appropriate. Separate governments responses with freedom of travel and mixed results is pretty much how the U.S.A. works.


The United States is far more integrated in practically every respect. You are describing what the EU legislators dream it maybe can be someday.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 13 2020 07:35am)
Why? I dont see any reason why the U.S. should be more comparable to France or Italy than to Germany or Austria.

Generally speaking, comparing the U.S. with all of the EU is the appropriate comparison. Similar size of population and economy, comparable geographic and cultural diversity, open land borders between the member states, various governors/heads of government using slightly different approaches, etc.



You have it backwards, all the current trends suggest that it is the U.S. which is lagging behind the EU, is at an earlier point of the current wave. The EU will not catch up to the U.S., it'll be the other way round - and the U.S. are already worse off than Europe. Cases in many European countries are already going down again, or at least the curves show a slowdown of the growth rates, while you still see unchecked growth.


What makes you say that? France, for instance, has caught up with the US, and went through another round of lockdowns as a result of it. I don't think constantly stopping and restarting the economy is going to be sustainable, and it has obviously already had severe repercussions.
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Nov 13 2020 10:37am
Quote (bogie160 @ Nov 13 2020 10:26am)
The United States is far more integrated in practically every respect. You are describing what the EU legislators dream it maybe can be someday.



What makes you say that? France, for instance, has caught up with the US, and went through another round of lockdowns as a result of it. I don't think constantly stopping and restarting the economy is going to be sustainable, and it has obviously already had severe repercussions.


Nobody wants to do it. American society failed to take it seriously. You don’t get to be simultaneously anti mask, anti social distance, AND anti shutdown which is what ~30% of the population is. That is a lot of recklessness in terms of numbers. Your options are temporary shutdowns or near collapse of healthcare and A LOT of unnecessary deaths. Not just from covid. When your hospitals are full, nobody gets a bed. Why collapse of healthcare? Nurses quitting at record numbers, with an already severe shortage of nurses precovid. Lack of providers, physicians, NPs, and PAs. Lack of cash, record amounts of hospitals are closing right now at a time when we need to be increasing bed numbers.

Expect all cause excess mortality to rocket in the next 6-8 weeks regardless of actions taken now imo. We are living in the middle of a dark documentary
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Quote (Bazi @ Nov 13 2020 11:37am)
Nobody wants to do it. American society failed to take it seriously. You don’t get to be simultaneously anti mask, anti social distance, AND anti shutdown which is what ~30% of the population is. That is a lot of recklessness in terms of numbers. Your options are temporary shutdowns or near collapse of healthcare and A LOT of unnecessary deaths. Not just from covid. When your hospitals are full, nobody gets a bed. Why collapse of healthcare? Nurses quitting at record numbers, with an already severe shortage of nurses precovid. Lack of providers, physicians, NPs, and PAs. Lack of cash, record amounts of hospitals are closing right now at a time when we need to be increasing bed numbers.

Expect all cause excess mortality to rocket in the next 6-8 weeks regardless of actions taken now imo. We are living in the middle of a dark documentary


Of course not, I think we should be pro-social distancing, and pro-mask (but not insofar as it discourages social distancing), and very anti-lockdown.
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Nov 13 2020 11:01am
Quote (bogie160 @ Nov 13 2020 10:50am)
Of course not, I think we should be pro-social distancing, and pro-mask (but not insofar as it discourages social distancing), and very anti-lockdown.


the sad fact is lockdowns should be swift and targeted, not slow and general.

but that's an anti business freedom approach that people would go nuts over.

imagine if a company gets say 10% of its workers with active cases, and the govt says OK shut down for 2 weeks, then resume.

people would just tell their employees to lie. but it would be more effective economically than shutting down everything to 70% effectiveness and just shutting down certain sectors entirely.

hell, without massive subsidizing many industries would find ways to stay open by imposing no contact practices or beefing up protective gear for their workers. free market yeeeeet

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Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 13 2020 11:01am)
the sad fact is lockdowns should be swift and targeted, not slow and general.

but that's an anti business freedom approach that people would go nuts over.

imagine if a company gets say 10% of its workers with active cases, and the govt says OK shut down for 2 weeks, then resume.

people would just tell their employees to lie. but it would be more effective economically than shutting down everything to 70% effectiveness and just shutting down certain sectors entirely.

hell, without massive subsidizing many industries would find ways to stay open by imposing no contact practices or beefing up protective gear for their workers. free market yeeeeet


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It is not something the federal government should mandate but every City/county should be able to recognize when things are becoming unsustainable and act accordingly

Problem is every level of government is just playing politics

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Nov 13 2020 11:19am
Quote (bogie160 @ Nov 13 2020 10:26am)
The United States is far more integrated in practically every respect. You are describing what the EU legislators dream it maybe can be someday.


The important part to the discussion is freedom of movement and semi-separate governments.
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