Quote (ofthevoid @ Jul 23 2024 04:44pm)
Why would a country engage in a obviously losing 'conventional' sandbox war, when it's one country against the collective of 20+ countries, spanning across the 2 wealthiest continents? So then, the logical follow up question is if a country was facing such a scenario, why wouldn't they fight back by other/any means necessary? Again i point you to satellites. There's less than 10k satellites in orbit and they dictate all logistics, including modern militaries. All Russia would have to do is knock out a few dozens strategic satellites and it would leave western militaries in disarray. It works both ways though, but you're pretending that someone would be obligated to fight by whatever rules you want to setup when they're facing a collective, which is of course silly. Crazy to think that we'd risk all of this just to snatch Ukraine from Russia's sphere.
You are purposely obfuscating as far as I can tell.
Who said Russia wouldn't fight back? I said twice already I doubt Putin would use long range nukes and risk/ensure mutual destruction, if the Russia army was attacked by conventional means in the occupied territory of Ukraine.
Grasp this is you wish to debate in good faith. Your purposely ignoring the fact that without using nukes NATO vs Russia would be like Putin farting in a hurricane.
Russia is overmatched in conventional capability by NATO, and it isn't even close.
Quote (PapaPsych @ Jul 23 2024 09:19pm)
Nobody in the media has talked about HIMARS in years because Russia is jamming the GPS guidance system they use.
On the contrary neither the US, NATO, any EU country has provided to Ukraine Signal Jammers to combat FAB glide bombs that use GLONASS.
Why not?
I watched two videos this morning from Ukraine of HIMARS taking out Russian equipment.
"The FAB-500 is designed to avoid enemy air-defense systems by using a combination of tactics. One of the key tactics is its high-altitude release capability. The bomb can be dropped from an altitude of up to 10,000 meters, which makes it difficult for enemy radar systems to detect. Additionally, the FAB-500 is equipped with a parachute that slows its descent, allowing it to drift off course and avoid anti-aircraft fire.
Another tactic used by the FAB-500 is its ability to be dropped in clusters. Multiple bombs can be dropped simultaneously, overwhelming enemy air-defense systems and increasing the chances of hitting the intended target. The FAB-500 can also be equipped with a variety of guidance systems, including laser and GPS, which further increase its accuracy and effectiveness."
Factor in the frontline and areas of required air defence are huge. Even if you jam a glide bomb, it still has to fall somewhere.
The only way to meaningfully stop the arrows is to hit the archer.
Either with Ukraines own airframes or with attacks on Russian airbases.
Btw what "media" are you talking about?
This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Jul 23 2024 02:25pm