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Jul 23 2024 02:11pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jul 23 2024 10:16am)
Its a literal drop in the ocean what Ukraine has been sent. Furthermore with huge limitations on deep strike capability.
The weapon systems that have arrived have proven they are force multipliers on the battlefield HIMAR in particular. The Russian S300's 400's and alleged S500 battery's have all been proven inept at intercepting Western missiles.
Erdogan and Modi kicking themselves upon the realisation.

Are you suggesting Russia is a match for NATO in a conventional war?

Where did I say Western countries would bomb Russian cities? Occupied parts of Ukraine. Conventionally, obliterated. In my opinion that would be the response to Russia using a tactical nuke.
What you are describing is brinksmanship of the longer range nuclear weapons; What benefit does Putin and other responsible firing officers have to annihilation?
End the world over losing his units in Ukraine, or continue existing and absorbing the loss; Pretty clear choice.

I would agree that any country staging NATO conventional strikes would be legitimate targets for Russia. Thats baked in to the equation.
I don't agree Putin goes directly to nuking any and every NATO country. Its a lose lose for Russia.


What are you talking about force multipliers.
Every precision weapon we sent to Ukraine the Russians have quickly learned how to counter and make them dumb unguided munitions by signal jamming.
HIMAR, JDAM, ATACMS, those guided artillery shells we paid $260k a piece for, ect.. all nothing but over priced garbage that is no longer relevant in modern warfare doctrine.
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Jul 23 2024 02:14pm
Quote (PapaPsych @ Jul 23 2024 09:11pm)
What are you talking about force multipliers.
Every precision weapon we sent to Ukraine the Russians have quickly learned how to counter and make them dumb unguided munitions by signal jamming.
HIMAR, JDAM, ATACMS, those guided artillery shells we paid $260k a piece for, ect.. all nothing but over priced garbage that is no longer relevant in modern warfare doctrine.


Are you smoking crack? You clearly know very little about the subject at hand.
Check out some first hand footage of what HIMARS have done and are doing to the Russian military.



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Jul 23 2024 02:19pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jul 23 2024 03:14pm)
Are you smoking crack? You clearly know very little about the subject at hand.
Check out some first hand footage of what HIMARS have done and are doing to the Russian military.

https://i.imgur.com/Cj9aHN4.png


Nobody in the media has talked about HIMARS in years because Russia is jamming the GPS guidance system they use.
On the contrary neither the US, NATO, any EU country has provided to Ukraine Signal Jammers to combat FAB glide bombs that use GLONASS.
Why not?
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Jul 23 2024 02:20pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Jul 23 2024 04:44pm)
Why would a country engage in a obviously losing 'conventional' sandbox war, when it's one country against the collective of 20+ countries, spanning across the 2 wealthiest continents? So then, the logical follow up question is if a country was facing such a scenario, why wouldn't they fight back by other/any means necessary? Again i point you to satellites. There's less than 10k satellites in orbit and they dictate all logistics, including modern militaries. All Russia would have to do is knock out a few dozens strategic satellites and it would leave western militaries in disarray. It works both ways though, but you're pretending that someone would be obligated to fight by whatever rules you want to setup when they're facing a collective, which is of course silly. Crazy to think that we'd risk all of this just to snatch Ukraine from Russia's sphere.


You are purposely obfuscating as far as I can tell.
Who said Russia wouldn't fight back? I said twice already I doubt Putin would use long range nukes and risk/ensure mutual destruction, if the Russia army was attacked by conventional means in the occupied territory of Ukraine.
Grasp this is you wish to debate in good faith. Your purposely ignoring the fact that without using nukes NATO vs Russia would be like Putin farting in a hurricane.

Russia is overmatched in conventional capability by NATO, and it isn't even close.

Quote (PapaPsych @ Jul 23 2024 09:19pm)
Nobody in the media has talked about HIMARS in years because Russia is jamming the GPS guidance system they use.
On the contrary neither the US, NATO, any EU country has provided to Ukraine Signal Jammers to combat FAB glide bombs that use GLONASS.
Why not?


I watched two videos this morning from Ukraine of HIMARS taking out Russian equipment.

"The FAB-500 is designed to avoid enemy air-defense systems by using a combination of tactics. One of the key tactics is its high-altitude release capability. The bomb can be dropped from an altitude of up to 10,000 meters, which makes it difficult for enemy radar systems to detect. Additionally, the FAB-500 is equipped with a parachute that slows its descent, allowing it to drift off course and avoid anti-aircraft fire.
Another tactic used by the FAB-500 is its ability to be dropped in clusters. Multiple bombs can be dropped simultaneously, overwhelming enemy air-defense systems and increasing the chances of hitting the intended target. The FAB-500 can also be equipped with a variety of guidance systems, including laser and GPS, which further increase its accuracy and effectiveness."

Factor in the frontline and areas of required air defence are huge. Even if you jam a glide bomb, it still has to fall somewhere.
The only way to meaningfully stop the arrows is to hit the archer.

Either with Ukraines own airframes or with attacks on Russian airbases.

Btw what "media" are you talking about?

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Jul 23 2024 02:25pm
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Jul 23 2024 02:31pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jul 23 2024 10:14pm)
Are you smoking crack? You clearly know very little about the subject at hand.
Check out some first hand footage of what HIMARS have done and are doing to the Russian military.

https://i.imgur.com/Cj9aHN4.png


He's right and you should've known this but you don't because all you watch is Denys Davydov propaganda vids, lol

WAPO article dated May 24, 2024 --> https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/05/24/russia-jamming-us-weapons-ukraine/

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KYIV — Many U.S.-made satellite-guided munitions in Ukraine have failed to withstand Russian jamming technology, prompting Kyiv to stop using certain types of Western-provided armaments after effectiveness rates plummeted, according to senior Ukrainian military officials and confidential internal Ukrainian assessments obtained by The Washington Post.
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Jul 23 2024 02:38pm
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Iskanders have greater range than HIMARS and are taking out all kind of stuff from Patriot launchers to HIMARS launchers while staying safely out of range.

I think this gonna sting a bit.

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Jul 23 2024 02:41pm
Somebody post the S400 destruction compilation :thumbsup:

Our comrade thinks they actually stand a chance. Take a swipe at the top dogs and find out then.
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Jul 23 2024 02:43pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jul 23 2024 10:41pm)
Somebody post the S400 destruction compilation :thumbsup:

Our comrade thinks they actually stand a chance. Take a swipe at the top dogs and find out then.


Somebody post the latest map updates and the real Ukrainian casualty numbers.

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Jul 23 2024 02:43pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jul 23 2024 04:20pm)
You are purposely obfuscating as far as I can tell.
Who said Russia wouldn't fight back? I said twice already I doubt Putin would use long range nukes and risk/ensure mutual destruction, if the Russia army was attacked by conventional means in the occupied territory of Ukraine.
Grasp this is you wish to debate in good faith. Your purposely ignoring the fact that without using nukes NATO vs Russia would be like Putin farting in a hurricane.

Russia is overmatched in conventional capability by NATO, and it isn't even close.



Yes a single country is overmatched by a collective alliance spanning 2 continents and having a population and GDP that's multiples larger. What's your point? Because of this it's precisely why they wouldn't engage only by 'conventional' sandbox means. That's why I'm talking about escalations that really the modern world hasn't seen such as taking satellite networks down.

Proximity is the type to invite you to the moor for a GM duel, only for you to show up in a game that's 5v1 with a town oak druid, and spamming bowas in a cloud of spammed hammers around them. Like lol, does it give you comfort that a huge alliance is stronger than 1 country?
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