Quote (Santara @ 15 Jan 2020 19:12)
I'm working on demonstrating that finding the information I presented to you about the 2nd battle at Borodino is NOT easily found, even by Google, and the fact that I bought it up should have told you I was aware of the historical significance of the 1st battle, roundly smashing your notion that you were enlightening me to European history. What it comes down to is that in late summer/early fall of 1941, most of the world felt the Nazis were weeks away at most from defeating the Soviets, and Stalin, in an effort to EVOKE the spirit of the Russian victory over Napoleon to get his armies fighting harder, sent his armies to fight at Borodino hoping they could pull off a win. What's esoteric is Stalin's push to fight the lost battle at Borodino. But once you see my source for it, you'll learn it had nothing to do with Google, and everything to do with the fact that I AM a student of history. Not only that, but a graduate of those poor American public schools you're trashing, and at the end of the day, I'm better than you at your own topic.
well, that was a massive fail then. as i pointed out to you in my last post, even bloody wikipedia connects those two immediately, and that's quite literally the lowest possible hurdle imaginable. even the most obscure detail you might produce to prove your 'superiority' and 'i totally knew that from the beginning' in the next couple of hours, won't be more than three clicks away from that article.
Quote (thesnipa @ 15 Jan 2020 18:52)
firstly, what are some indicators you use in judging when i'm "upset" exactly? because you tell me when i'm upset with about 10% accuracy overall.
secondly, i didnt use german lack of sarcasm use as an excuse for anything. i simply posited it might play a role here, because again you're not very accurate discerning it, like when people are "upset". i think, on a serious note, that it has nothing to do with your ability to sense sarcasm, but is instead a tactic you use to refuse to give ground. refusing to accept when someone says they were joking is generally bad form in PARD or elsewhere. people should be allowed to joke, you should be allowed to take them seriously, then they are allowed to tell you they were joking, and you should be able to accept it. if instead you constantly try to imply they were serious the whole time it just makes conversations generally less fun. some people are here just for fun, some for only knives out conversations, and most are inbetween. you seem to be far into the knives out side of the spectrum, which is fine, but assuming everyone else is also is just bad communication. its "too serious guy at a dinner party" behavior.
as to the topic of German sarcasm generally, are you saying you think sarcastic humor in German culture is actually just as prevalent as say the UK or USA? obviously germans being entirely unable to sense sarcasm is a stereotype, but stereotypes are also generally based in some truth.
'upset' as in frantically trying to dismiss well know facts, just because they reflect badly on american education, and supported my initial point.
did i reply to your initial 'joke'? nop, i identified it as such and have no problem with your characterisation as 'low effort attempt at humour'. do i believe you were joking when you suggested that resorting to your old pettiness in future conversations would be my fault? no, i'm confident you were serious about that, and only resorted to the 'joke' excuse when i clarified how that decision is entirely up to you.
you see, i DO distinguish between comments intended to be humourous, and those that people just pretend to have made in jest because they can't admit they're wrong. just because you only react to the latter, usually by suggesting i don't get sarcasm / humour, doesn't mean i don't get when people are joking.
as to your last question: no. i'm neither saying nor suggesting that. what i'm saying is that it's a stereotype that was very flimsy to begin with, especially if you don't even differentiate between 'getting' sarcasm and enjoying sarcastic humour. that said, it has always been a thing here, even if it's admittedly not AS prevalent (sneaky goal post) as in english humour. all that makes your assumption concerning my understanding of sarcasm rather questionable, especially if you take into account that you're dealing with someone who is obviously rather familiar with anglo cultures.