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Dec 12 2023 01:54am
Quote (Bazi @ 12 Dec 2023 02:11)
Because you said you did

You have a hard time following along lol


No I did not I simply states it was on TV and whats the difference between written and visual media?

He is getting the information from terrorist organization, that knew they had “500” dead 1 min after they hit a rocket into an hospital parking lot and they blamed Israel for it 🤦

Here is the Genocide
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C0vh305N3XA/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

This post was edited by Many_Names on Dec 12 2023 02:14am
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Dec 12 2023 02:00am
“Palestinians” lol more like Hamastinians
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Dec 12 2023 02:44am
https://twitter.com/CrimeWatchMpls/status/1734343361132454166

Hamastinians led a convoy to illegally shut down traffic in the twin cities and try to block the freeways when people were headed home from work last night. Stopped traffic for two hours and held up a lot of random citizens. This time it ended differently: the state patrol managed to kettle the lot of them when they entered lowry tunnel, blocking the convoy in on both ends of the tunnel and mass arresting them and towing their vehicles. 14 vehicles towed, unknown number of arrests (8 arrests and 8 vehicles were by the patrol), and also recovered illegal stolen firearms from the rioters.
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Dec 12 2023 03:28am
Quote (Many_Names @ Dec 11 2023 11:52pm)
When Arabs started doing hasbara for Israel
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C0vh305N3XA/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==


Hey well Biden himself said he is a Zionist so I guess things really are fubar

I guess if you want to believe that somehow only certain people should be allowed to be in specific spots on Earth, you can believe that. But really all of us is cousins (especially all y’all right there. pretty sure you’re all Abrahamic yes?) so I guess if you wanna defend genocidal actions, go ahead. Just remember, we are all just a big family of ants on a fragile rock floating through space
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Dec 12 2023 04:25am
Quote (AleKsRoBerto @ 12 Dec 2023 11:28)
Hey well Biden himself said he is a Zionist so I guess things really are fubar

I guess if you want to believe that somehow only certain people should be allowed to be in specific spots on Earth, you can believe that. But really all of us is cousins (especially all y’all right there. pretty sure you’re all Abrahamic yes?) so I guess if you wanna defend genocidal actions, go ahead. Just remember, we are all just a big family of ants on a fragile rock floating through space

Do you agree with Jewish self determination?
Do you agree that Israel has a right to exist?
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Dec 12 2023 04:52am
Quote (Many_Names @ Dec 12 2023 10:25am)
Do you agree with Jewish self determination?
Do you agree that Israel has a right to exist?


all he said is live and let live, and was questioning your staunch defense of the unending mass slaughter of civilians. a better response would have been to simply state that you are in Israel, and there are some issues with the indigenous population that you are trying, unsuccessfully, to resolve, over decades. I dont understand this narrative of "Do you agree that Israel has a right to exist?" does Palestine and its people not have a right to exist ? If one has a right to exist, then both do. I seem to recall a map of Israel in the UN which omitted any reference to the palestinian people. i seem to recall Israel chants of Israel shall be free from the river to the sea. I seem to recall this said over decades, by various leaders of Israel. why are people now complaining when Palestinians says the same thing for themselves ? honestly, this does not make logical sense.
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Dec 12 2023 05:09am
Quote (ferdia @ 12 Dec 2023 12:52)
all he said is live and let live, and was questioning your staunch defense of the unending mass slaughter of civilians. a better response would have been to simply state that you are in Israel, and there are some issues with the indigenous population that you are trying, unsuccessfully, to resolve, over decades. I dont understand this narrative of "Do you agree that Israel has a right to exist?" does Palestine and its people not have a right to exist ? If one has a right to exist, then both do. I seem to recall a map of Israel in the UN which omitted any reference to the palestinian people. i seem to recall Israel chants of Israel shall be free from the river to the sea. I seem to recall this said over decades, by various leaders of Israel. why are people now complaining when Palestinians says the same thing for themselves ? honestly, this does not make logical sense.


Israelis never called from the river to the sea thats chanting for genocide - what you heard are Hamastinians calling for the destruction and extermination of jews in Israel.

I am the indigenous on this land, I didnt came from europe, I didnt came from africa.
I was born here and so are my ancestors.

My great grandfather saw the Arab migration with his own eyes.
Mark twain refer to it in his book.

And then again you are choosing to avoid simple questions.
Do Jews have the right for self determination?
Is Israel has the right to exist?


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Dec 12 2023 05:13am

day 66 of the Gaza Blitzkrieg


>IDF says it will have all northern Gaza cleared in a week
>week later literally zero measurable progress
>kidnap a bunch of civilians from previously held areas, pretend Hamas is mass surrendering to fool the public
>internal propaganda leaks internationally, IDF forced to apologize, admit they were civilians
>Hamas launches enough rockets from northern Gaza to overwhelm the Iron Dome and hit Tel Aviv
>IDF says it will totally control Khan Yunis
>pushes too fast, gets stuck, gets Grozny'd
>forced to airdrop supplies because they're surrounded and constantly ambushed (the last time they did this was right before they lost in 2006)
suddenly they start talking about a ceasefire
Hamas says "lol fuck you we're not budging on our demands"
then it leaks that IDF is covering up casualties, even gullible Israeli media admits 5-10k wounded and 2k crippled
multiple confirmed total kills on vehicles + aftermath instantly debunks the "invincible armor/Trophy" cope
Eilat port totally shut down, Israeli economy losing billions from Houthi blockade
IDF threatens war if the Houthis don't stop
Houthis laugh, blow up and seize more ships zero fucks given
IDF threatens war if Hezbollah doesn't withdraw north within 2 days
Hezbollah totally ignores empty threats, attacks even further into Israel
Houthi leader publicly states that they have turned back/seized several Israeli owned tankers.
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Dec 12 2023 05:27am
Quote (zorzin @ 12 Dec 2023 13:13)
day 66 of the Gaza Blitzkrieg


>IDF says it will have all northern Gaza cleared in a week
>week later literally zero measurable progress
>kidnap a bunch of civilians from previously held areas, pretend Hamas is mass surrendering to fool the public
>internal propaganda leaks internationally, IDF forced to apologize, admit they were civilians
>Hamas launches enough rockets from northern Gaza to overwhelm the Iron Dome and hit Tel Aviv
>IDF says it will totally control Khan Yunis
>pushes too fast, gets stuck, gets Grozny'd
>forced to airdrop supplies because they're surrounded and constantly ambushed (the last time they did this was right before they lost in 2006)
suddenly they start talking about a ceasefire
Hamas says "lol fuck you we're not budging on our demands"
then it leaks that IDF is covering up casualties, even gullible Israeli media admits 5-10k wounded and 2k crippled
multiple confirmed total kills on vehicles + aftermath instantly debunks the "invincible armor/Trophy" cope
Eilat port totally shut down, Israeli economy losing billions from Houthi blockade
IDF threatens war if the Houthis don't stop
Houthis laugh, blow up and seize more ships zero fucks given
IDF threatens war if Hezbollah doesn't withdraw north within 2 days
Hezbollah totally ignores empty threats, attacks even further into Israel
Houthi leader publicly states that they have turned back/seized several Israeli owned tankers.


1. Israel never claimed all of them were terrorist, in our media we were told people were detained and that 70% of them were released.
Furthermore we had criticism on the way it was done and the IDF gave an order to dress them up after the search.
2.hamas havent launched a single rocket from northern Gaza for weeks now.
3. IDF never said they are in control of Khan Yunis fact is we were told it will take a lot of time to take over if we want to prevent mass civilian casualties.
4. Dont mix getting stuck with morally superior army who can obliterate gaza entirely if it wanted.
We have above 220+ hard wounded that will never go back to combat the rest are waiting to get back in action.
5. The huti’s does create damage but its war we will have delay with shipment it will cost more money but they will pay for it and will pay for it dearly.
6. Regarding to hezbollah that threat was issued yesterday.
Israel will try to achieve its goal without violence but if it wont work Lebanon will go back in time to the age of muhamad.
7. The huti’s shot a missile toward norwegian vessel not israeli owned one.
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Dec 12 2023 05:58am
Quote (Many_Names @ Dec 12 2023 11:09am)
Israelis never called from the river to the sea thats chanting for genocide - what you heard are Hamastinians calling for the destruction and extermination of jews in Israel.?


do you want to rephrase what you said or do i need to go get sources again ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea

"From the river to the sea" (Arabic: من النهر إلى البحر, romanized: min an-nahr ʾilā l-baḥr; Palestinian Arabic: من المية للمية, romanized: min il-ṃayye li-l-ṃayye, lit. 'from the water to the water'[1][2]) is a political slogan that refers geographically to the area between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea, an area also described as Palestine and Eretz Israel,[3] which currently includes the State of Israel and the Palestinian territories: the West Bank, which includes East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip.[4][5]

The phrase was popularised in the 1960s as part of a wider call for Palestinian liberation creating a democratic state freeing Palestinians from oppression from Israeli as well as from other Arab regimes such as Jordan and Egypt.[6][7] In the 1960s, the PLO used it to call for a democratic secular state encompassing the entirety of mandatory Palestine which was initially stated to only include the Palestinians and the descendants of Jews who had lived in Palestine before the first Aliyah, although this was later expanded.[8][9] Palestinian progressives use it to call for a united democracy over the whole territory[10] while others say "it's a call for peace and equality after ... decades-long, open-ended Israeli military rule over millions of Palestinians."[11]

This slogan has come under international scrutiny following its usage by various Palestinian factions, particularly since Islamist militant faction Hamas used the phrase in its 2017 charter. The slogan's usage by such Palestinian militant groups has led critics to argue that the slogan implicitly advocates for the dismantling of Israel, and a call for the removal or extermination of the Jewish population.[12] Some countries have considered criminalizing its use.[13][14]

The 1977 election manifesto of the right-wing Israeli Likud party said: "Between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty."[15][16][17] Similar wording has also been used more recently by other Israeli politicians.[18]

The precise origins of the phrase are disputed.[20]According to American historian Robin D. G. Kelley, the phrase "began as a Zionist slogan signifying the boundaries of Eretz Israel."[3] Israeli-American historian Omer Bartov notes that Zionist usage of such language predates the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948 and began with the Revisionist movement of Zionism led by Vladimir Jabotinski, which spoke of establishing a Jewish state in all of Palestine and had a song with the slogan: "The Jordan has two banks; this one is ours, and the other one too," suggesting a Jewish state extending even beyond the Jordan River.[21]

Kelley writes that the phrase was adopted by the Palestine Liberation Organization in the mid-1960s; the 1964 charter of the PLO's Palestinian National Council called for "the recovery of the usurped homeland in its entirety". The 1964 charter stated that "Jews who are of Palestinian origin shall be considered Palestinians if they are willing to live peacefully and loyally in Palestine", specifically defining "Palestinian" as those who had "normally resided in Palestine until 1947".[3][22] In the 1968 revision, the charter was further revised, stating that "Jews who had resided normally in Palestine until the beginning of the Zionist invasion" would be considered Palestinian.[22] According to Maha Nassar of the University of Arizona, the phrase was popularized in the 1960s as part of a wider call for Palestinian liberation, creating a democratic state and freeing Palestinians from oppression from Israeli as well as from other Arab regimes such as Jordan and Egypt.[6][7]

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TLDR: its an Israeli slogan, adopted by the Palestinians.

This post was edited by ferdia on Dec 12 2023 06:02am
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