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Oct 27 2020 11:10am
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jurisdiction shuffling aside, how is saying "she's not my type" and calling a rape accuser a liar a federal action within the scope of the presidency?


Because the westfall act established that politicians briefing the press falls under their regular duties even if its about personal scandals, and this concerned an official white house press release.
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Oct 27 2020 11:16am
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Because the westfall act established that politicians briefing the press falls under their regular duties even if its about personal scandals, and this concerned an official white house press release.


sure for a white house briefing or interview panel.

but does an interview with The Hill where he called her "not my type" count as official duties?

and is a 1988 piece of law really going to last long in the internet age with regards to twitter activity, TV call in interviews, pre recorded sit down interviews, campaign rallies, and a bevy of other developing political messaging of those in and out of office?

keep in mind i dont think that the "shes not my type" statement in response to a rape allegation, in a vacuum, is enough to cause any damage in a defamation suit. and i dont even think a defamation suit would be successful even if all evidence is admissible. financially acknowledging her book offset any credibility damage they could argue.
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Oct 27 2020 11:26am
LMFAO....trump businesses charging taxpayers $3 per glass of water that trump drinks.....

so much for drain the swamp
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Oct 27 2020 11:32am
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LMFAO....trump businesses charging taxpayers $3 per glass of water that trump drinks.....

so much for drain the swamp


that water is so expensive because its a combination of super filtered swamp water and highly refined liberal tears. it probably costs 5$ per glass to do, he's saving the tax payers with every glass he drinks. and he drinks 32 glasses of water per day, doctors are actually amazed, said theyd never seen someone so hydrated.
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Oct 27 2020 11:35am
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LMFAO....trump businesses charging taxpayers $3 per glass of water that trump drinks.....

so much for drain the swamp


Trump made 3 dollars per glass of water. More on this story of corruption at 6pm.
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Oct 27 2020 11:39am
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Trump made 3 dollars per glass of water. More on this story of corruption at 6pm.


the toll of whatever type of mental gymnastics you have to do to justify your support for trump clearly has addled your brain.
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Oct 27 2020 11:59am
Galaxybrain Democrat rioters in Philadelphia are gunna flip the state red again rofl
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Oct 27 2020 02:27pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 27 2020 12:16pm)
sure for a white house briefing or interview panel.

but does an interview with The Hill where he called her "not my type" count as official duties?

and is a 1988 piece of law really going to last long in the internet age with regards to twitter activity, TV call in interviews, pre recorded sit down interviews, campaign rallies, and a bevy of other developing political messaging of those in and out of office?

keep in mind i dont think that the "shes not my type" statement in response to a rape allegation, in a vacuum, is enough to cause any damage in a defamation suit. and i dont even think a defamation suit would be successful even if all evidence is admissible. financially acknowledging her book offset any credibility damage they could argue.


Other courts had been asked this same question in past decades and this past year, and came down saying that the president's messages to the public- even those not through official channels or to the media, were within the scope of his duties as president. And thus forbade him from banning people on twitter. That was his personal twitter account he shitposts on, and it was considered within his executive capacity. Well, this case considers an official white house press release given by the press secretary to the press pool on white house letterhead. It couldn't be more official and through proper channels.

And the precedent cited was CAIR v Ballenger. Rep. Cass Ballenger was giving a statement to the media about his pending divorce and marital strife, which are personal scandals. In his statement, in one offhand remark he said one source of discomfort for his wife was living across from the CAIR headquarters after the 9/11 attacks, saying they were the fundraising arm for Hezbollah. So CAIR tried to sue him, but the westfall act had the DoJ take over the case and dismiss it because;

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the D.C. Circuit found that a Congressman's comments to the press on his pending separation from his wife were within the scope of his employment because "[a] Member's ability to do his job as a legislator effectively is tied, as in this case, to the Member's relationship with the public and in particular his constituents and colleagues in the Congress." By commenting on his private life, the Congressman was seeking to maintain his constituents' trust in him and thereby discharge his legislative responsibilities more effectively.


That case is the holding precedent, and both the higher courts and supreme court already look at cases involving Trump's personal statements and gave consistent approaches.
This one judge then declares that he's the sole arbiter of the law and that everyone else is wrong and all other precedents were wrongly decided, and flips the bird to the concept of stare decisis and lets this case keep bouncing around ahead of the election
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Oct 27 2020 02:33pm
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Other courts had been asked this same question in past decades and this past year, and came down saying that the president's messages to the public- even those not through official channels or to the media, were within the scope of his duties as president. And thus forbade him from banning people on twitter. That was his personal twitter account he shitposts on, and it was considered within his executive capacity. Well, this case considers an official white house press release given by the press secretary to the press pool on white house letterhead. It couldn't be more official and through proper channels.

And the precedent cited was CAIR v Ballenger. Rep. Cass Ballenger was giving a statement to the media about his pending divorce and marital strife, which are personal scandals. In his statement, in one offhand remark he said one source of discomfort for his wife was living across from the CAIR headquarters after the 9/11 attacks, saying they were the fundraising arm for Hezbollah. So CAIR tried to sue him, but the westfall act had the DoJ take over the case and dismiss it because;



That case is the holding precedent, and both the higher courts and supreme court already look at cases involving Trump's personal statements and gave consistent approaches.
This one judge then declares that he's the sole arbiter of the law and that everyone else is wrong and all other precedents were wrongly decided, and flips the bird to the concept of stare decisis and lets this case keep bouncing around ahead of the election


im not surprised that most of it would be stricken down, but am a bit surprised an interview with the Hill counts. in any case im sure trump isnt too mad, its not like the defamation case has legs. also odd how a rape case devolves into defamation, is this somehow beyond the statute of limitations? bit confused there.
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Oct 27 2020 02:37pm
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1244788

Kushner not helping Trump by saying systemic racism is blacks not wanting to be successful, racism is something they complain about rather than face.

It's clear why only the racist voters are voting for these guys lol.
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