So you think that taking millions of dollars from the chinese communist party and ukrainian oligarchs in bribes, is the same thing as holding a meeting with russian-americans who say they have evidence your opponent is illegally fundraising in China- only to find out they were lobbyists with a fake story to get in the door to talk about the Magnisky-Adoption impasse at which point the Trump team stopped listening.

The crimes are bribery, racketeering, acting as an unregistered agent of a foreign power, and conspiracy for the preceding.

Can you for a second appreciate that the frontrunner for the 2020 election is someone who was literally taking millions in bribes from China? As in, an actual manchurian candidate. Someone beholden to the chinese communist party. Not just politically aligned with them, but on their payroll, being paid to carry out their agenda and with that held over him as leverage.

Until this scandal broke, I was actually fine with either outcome for this election. Like I said, I previously supported Biden in '08, and policy-wise he's so close to Trump and given the impasse in congress and lack of judicial openings, it should be a low impact election. But having Joe Biden literally taking millions in bribes from China in deals he negotiated with them in actual conspiracies- the kind where people are avoiding putting his name in print so it doesn't get back to him- that changes things.
I don't think we can afford having an actual Chinese owned candidate in office.

from trump shill to propagandist to conspiracy theorist to comedian / bot account. nice one.



This post was edited by fender on Oct 22 2020 12:12pm

I don't know what he sees as far as taking money from the Communist Party of China. A lot of people believe Bill Clinton and Al Gore took money from them. We know our current president has taken money from the Communist Party of China:







From New Yorker: https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/donald-trumps-debt-to-china

From Politico:





https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/24/trump-biden-china-debt-205475

China is the number one reason Trump will not release his taxes IMO.



lmao. Hunter being a pedo wasn't the deal breaker now after the goal post change.

This post was edited by Skinned on Oct 22 2020 12:25pm

Hunter Biden being a pedo is inflammatory and headline grabbing, but it doesn't reflect on Joe Biden. The worst you can say about Joe is he might have known his granddaughter was in an unsafe environment and didn't report it, but it was already being reported to a therapist who is a mandatory reporter with or without that 'everyone must report' law, and we don't know how Joe might have confronted his son or tried to resolve what was going on- and I doubt Joe Biden knew his son was saving topless pics of his granddaughter.

Joe Biden taking millions in bribes from the chinese in an -actual- conspiracy, is extremely deal breaking. Like, unironic manchurian candidate dealbreaking. The kind where the fate of our entire democracy is at stake.

This is why even the radical centrists on the forum acknowledge you are dishonest.

Holy shit this is Ghot level delusion.

im not comparing supposed crimes at all, im comparing your standard for evidence in both cases. one's a high bar, the other is a line drawn on the sidewalk in chalk masquerading as a hurdle.

likewise your "lets wait for the official facts to come out" attitude is one sided.

you're even in this thread stating we have "evidence" of child porn on Hunter's laptop and that Joe knew about it, based on Rudy and a bunk article lol.

you're taking this hook and riding the line my man, it may be a night crawler or a plastic fake worm, but its in your mouth, through your cheek, and you're not even struggling as its reeled in. its just funny is all.

As always, I go where the evidence leads. If the bulk of the evidence says that the Trump tower meeting was about lobbyists trying to hoodwink their way into talking to the Trumps about the Magnitsky Act, that's what I figure it is. If the evidence suggests Trump asked Ukraine to look into Hunter Biden for partisan political purposes, that's where it leads. If the evidence is nothing but "the laptop was taken by an FBI agent who worked for 5 years in child porn cases", that's not enough for me to believe there's child porn on it. If the same people who have access to the laptop harddrive and have given it to numerous outlets and congressional offices to verify it, say that it contains child porn and turn it over to the state police who also verify it has child porn- that's reason to believe it has child porn.

Its simple critical thinking and evidence based observations. If there wasn't any child porn on there, the Biden camp would have cried foul in dramatic fashion. The state police would have immediately denied it, even the FBI might come out and say its not true. The people who are claiming it would never make such a proclamation unless they knew they could back it up. The media would have run with the story of fake-child-porn-dirty-tricks and excoriated Giuliani and hell, they'd probably file a libel lawsuit instantly.

You can look back in this very thread, I waited for the facts to come out, and even dismissed the suggestion of child porn without evidence. But then the evidence came out.

What takes the cake imho is when Goom started to argue that Biden becoming president wouldnt matter anyway once it became obvious that his outlook is really grim. The reasoning he gave for this surprising opinion was hysterical, it went along the lines of "Trump was so hyper-successful and -productive that there will simply be nothing left to do for Biden, no judicial openings, no big foreign policy issues, no domestic structural issues, basically nothing of impact (beyond the immediate covid aftermath)".

The evolution of his take on the election looks like it was taken straight out of a psychology textbook about the five stages of grief.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 22 2020 01:35pm

lol you wrote 10 paragraphs at the time it was on 1 news outlet and it was the word of a blind guy and your base assumption that it cant be fake, because if it was, someone on twitter surely would be saying it was fake.

you didnt dip your toe at any time, you've been neck deep in the pool from breaking to now. you were just as in when the evidence was 100% rudy's word and speculation, maybe logical and critical speculation, but speculation none the less.

you do this a lot, dial up or down assumptions based on who its about. or shift the goal posts. i dont see anything here thats illegal in the US legal code, if this were a trump story thats about as far as you'd go. now its biden and you're mr ethics.

at the end of the day i think biden is likely guilty of some shady underhanded dealings in big stakes international affairs, and i think trump was just a doofus who got played by smarter players than himself and political actors who get the rules he never bothered to read. but what i find really funny is neither guy, its your take on them.

edit: honestly i think just a bit too much 4chan for u. even if it gives u a bit of a technological hacking insight it might have put a bit too much tinfoil into ur heart.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Oct 22 2020 01:29pm