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May 27 2015 02:33pm
Quote (Scaly @ May 27 2015 02:30pm)
Ideology =/= lack of ideology.

You can't compare not being taught religion to being taught religion... It's letting people learn vs robbing them of their agency and their ability to think rationally.

Nobody taught me that there is no god. It's just something I came to realise was extremely likely as I grew older and became interested in those questions.


Please dont pretend that there aren't militant atheists who aggressively see to their children's atheism.

Ill be the first to admit most parents who are christian arent near as pushy as what the memes suggest, neither are most atheist parents. That doesnt mean there arent atheist parent's who brainwash their children to the point where their atheism isn't a choice.
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you forget that he lives in a world where abstinence is a sex position


...and where bald is a hair colour and 'not stamp collecting' is a hobby.

That logic. <_<

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Please dont pretend that there aren't militant atheists who aggressively see to their children's atheism.

Ill be the first to admit most parents who are christian arent near as pushy as what the memes suggest, neither are most atheist parents. That doesnt mean there arent atheist parent's who brainwash their children to the point where their atheism isn't a choice.


Strawman of the year award goes to... Drumroll please...

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May 27 2015 03:05pm
Quote (Scaly @ May 27 2015 02:35pm)
...and where bald is a hair colour and 'not stamp collecting' is a hobby.

That logic. <_<



Strawman of the year award goes to... Drumroll please...


Quote (Scaly @ May 27 2015 02:30pm)
Ideology =/= lack of ideology.

You can't compare not being taught religion to being taught religion... It's letting people learn vs robbing them of their agency and their ability to think rationally.

Nobody taught me that there is no god. It's just something I came to realise was extremely likely as I grew older and became interested in those questions.


If i misinterpreted that statement let me know. sounds to me like you're saying being taught a religion takes away your choice whereas being taught atheism doesnt.
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May 27 2015 03:16pm
Quote (thesnipa @ May 27 2015 04:05pm)
If i misinterpreted that statement let me know. sounds to me like you're saying being taught a religion takes away your choice whereas being taught atheism doesnt.


sounds like the common atheism=antitheism strawman

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May 27 2015 03:49pm
Quote (Scaly @ May 27 2015 03:30pm)
Ideology =/= lack of ideology.

You can't compare not being taught religion to being taught religion... It's letting people learn vs robbing them of their agency and their ability to think rationally.

Nobody taught me that there is no god. It's just something I came to realise was extremely likely as I grew older and became interested in those questions.


We all get socialized to believe certain things. I was socialized by my family to be Catholic, and I was socialized by my friends to be agnostic/atheist. I was brought up in a society that has become increasingly skeptical of religious beliefs. I went to a university where the intellectual atmosphere is anti-religious. I made the decision for myself, as you did, as everyone does.

No one is above socialization. People who are interested in spiritual pursuits decide for themselves. Why, for some atheists, is it hard to understand other people's opinions?


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May 27 2015 05:44pm
Quote (IceMage @ May 27 2015 09:49pm)
We all get socialized to believe certain things. I was socialized by my family to be Catholic, and I was socialized by my friends to be agnostic/atheist. I was brought up in a society that has become increasingly skeptical of religious beliefs. I went to a university where the intellectual atmosphere is anti-religious. I made the decision for myself, as you did, as everyone does.

No one is above socialization. People who are interested in spiritual pursuits decide for themselves. Why, for some atheists, is it hard to understand other people's opinions?


I think one problem is that religion is given undue credibility from an early age in our country. People have been brought up to revere religion as though those beliefs are more worthwhile than a non-religious belief. You have churches and other institutions built to instill veneration in people's view and thus people are likely to be convinced in it based on the authority aspect of it. If you don't believe me consider how difficult it was and remains to criticize religion, or even generally accepted social positions. If a mainstream Presidential candidate came out and said he was an atheist he's done, 100% absolutely and without question; why is that? Because we revere religion, it has been protected and built up.

You talk about your university being anti-religious and how much it sucks because you feel oppressed when you seem like you don't acknowledge that's how it was just about everywhere in this country for hundreds of years for anyone but Christians.

In short, Christians (and conservatives, really) can sure as Hell dish it out but the second you take one step on their lawn it's the end of the world.


Quote (thesnipa @ May 27 2015 08:33pm)
Please dont pretend that there aren't militant atheists who aggressively see to their children's atheism.

Ill be the first to admit most parents who are christian arent near as pushy as what the memes suggest, neither are most atheist parents. That doesnt mean there arent atheist parent's who brainwash their children to the point where their atheism isn't a choice.


This term is so melodramatic lol. Militant?

If I'm adamant that I don't want my kid overexposed to religion and want them basically kept away from that stuff until they're old enough to choose for themselves how is that "militant"? Same goes for the opposite; if I feel like Christianity is something my child really needs to learn from the beginning because it will mean they become a "good" adult (by my own definition) how is that wrong?



This post was edited by Kamahl16 on May 27 2015 05:55pm
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I think one problem is that religion is given undue credibility from an early age in our country. People have been brought up to revere religion as though those beliefs are more worthwhile than a non-religious belief. You have churches and other institutions built to instill veneration in people's view and thus people are likely to be convinced in it based on the authority aspect of it. If you don't believe me consider how difficult it was and remains to criticize religion, or even generally accepted social positions. If a mainstream Presidential candidate came out and said he was an atheist he's done, 100% absolutely and without question; why is that? Because we revere religion, it has been protected and built up.

You talk about your university being anti-religious and how much it sucks because you feel oppressed when you seem like you don't acknowledge that's how it was just about everywhere in this country for hundreds of years for anyone but Christians.

In short, Christians (and conservatives, really) can sure as Hell dish it out but the second you take one step on their lawn it's the end of the world.


I don't think it's that socially difficult for someone to criticize religion. It's certainly not polite conversation in many circles, but I grew up with a bunch of people who criticized religion. My generation freely criticizes religion in a social setting, generally without consequences.

As far as the presidency, anything out of the norm is perceived as not viable. Atheist, Muslim, Buddhist, etc. Hell, we just recently elected the first black president. Change at the highest level takes time, but that doesn't mean our society isn't increasingly anti-religious. That doesn't mean there hasn't been significant social change in the past 20-30 years.

You have a bad habit of putting words in my mouth. When did I say I feel oppressed? The point of that sentence was to show that I'm sometimes socialized to not have Christian beliefs.
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May 27 2015 07:10pm
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lol?

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May 27 2015 07:35pm
Quote (thesnipa @ May 27 2015 04:33pm)
Please dont pretend thatthere aren't militant atheists who aggressively see to their children's atheism.

Ill be the first to admit most parents who are christian arent near as pushy as what the memes suggest, neither are most atheist parents. That doesnt mean there arent atheist parent's who brainwash their children to the point where their atheism isn't a choice.


I don't pretend but can you provide an example, i am unsure what you mean there (bolded)

E/ my parents replaced my religion course by a moral course when i was 6-10 years old (like about 5-10% of other kids in my school). Do you consider them to be aggressive atheists militants ?



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