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Jun 23 2025 08:48am
Americans really never learn. Our military might is strongest defensively, not offensively. Invading always puts you are a strategic disadvantage.

Also Americans simply do not want to fight wars. After Vietnam the entire culture shifted greatly and we will never have recruitment, or possibly a draft (if really necessary). But it isn't just Vietnam that is relevant, most Americans are not fooled by the Middle Eastern conflict after the hideous lies of Bush and Obama.
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Jun 23 2025 09:12am
Honestly you should really stop watching movies.
Maybe try to read some books and learn history.
Read some of your posts and your whole speech is a stinky amount of bullshit and demonstrations of ignorance.


It's always the guy that says to go read a book who's probably never read a book since they forced him to read "Charlotte's Web."

Wait until you find out about how many times US military bases were targeted by irgc proxies in iraq.

Armchair generals (i include myself here) used to say that anyone firing ASMs at the USN would be a death sentence, but then those silly houthi boys chased a CSG outa the red sea. The times are a changing!



Everyone is a proxy for Iran these days, including myself :rofl:
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Jun 23 2025 09:15am
Americans really never learn. Our military might is strongest defensively, not offensively. Invading always puts you are a strategic disadvantage.

Also Americans simply do not want to fight wars. After Vietnam the entire culture shifted greatly and we will never have recruitment, or possibly a draft (if really necessary). But it isn't just Vietnam that is relevant, most Americans are not fooled by the Middle Eastern conflict after the hideous lies of Bush and Obama.


Interventions, or at least shitty ones, which pretty much all have been during the last ~25 years are actually what will capsize the US out of hegemony.

We've spent roughly 10 trillion dollars on Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, that's not counting the interest that's accumulate on that through the years. Basically 1/3 of our current debt, and we've got literally nothing to show for it.

Syria: run by a guy that used to run an Al-Qaeda offshoot. We literally used to have a bounty on his head.
Afghanistan: still run by the Taliban, stronger and more entrenched than ever
Iraq: run by Shia and people that are ideologically aligned to Iran
Libya: Failed state for over 10 years now. Huge hub for human trafficking on Europe's doorstep.


There's also the hundreds of billions dumped into Ukraine that i won't even mention here.
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Jun 23 2025 09:23am
I was tempted to put this in its own topic, and I may still, will see what the situation is like in 6 months time. in the meantime:

Taking a step back from the individual conflicts and viewing the situation more broadly, it appears increasingly likely that we are heading toward a major international escalation involving multiple nations. These individual flashpoints increasingly resemble waystations on a trajectory toward a larger, more destructive confrontation.

In Ukraine — where the U.S. and European countries continue to provide military support, which some characterize as fueling a proxy war against Russia — it is only a matter of time before Germany deploys the Taurus missile system. Such a move would mark yet another red line crossed, following the provision of Patriot missiles, tanks, F-16s, as well as the UK’s Storm Shadow and France’s SCALP cruise missile systems.

Recent rhetoric from Germany underscores a more militant posture. A leaked high-level Bundeswehr memo described Russia as an “existential risk” to Germany and Europe. Regarding the Middle East, Chancellor Friedrich Merz has openly supported Israel’s actions against Iran, stating in a recent interview that Israel is doing the “dirty work” for Germany. He also explicitly stated on June 23, 2025, that he saw no reason to criticize the recent military actions taken by Israel and the United States against Iran. This clear endorsement reflects Germany’s shift toward a more assertive foreign policy aligned with U.S. and Israeli positions.

Since Angela Merkel’s departure, Germany has rapidly abandoned its post–World War II posture of restraint and now appears fully aligned with U.S. foreign policy. Germany has repeatedly signaled a willingness to support military action on multiple fronts. It is not alone in this endeavor. The UK and France, while more cautious in rhetoric, are rapidly expanding their military forces. This trend is echoed across NATO, with traditionally non-aggressive states like Japan and Australia now following suit. Some analysts have drawn parallels between today’s military buildup and the geopolitical tensions of the 1930s—though the historical contexts differ.

In the Middle East, the United States and Israel’s objectives risk further intensifying the conflict. Donald Trump has openly called for regime change in Iran and described the country's Supreme Leader as an “easy target” for assassination—signaling a dangerous disregard for international norms. Meanwhile, speculation continues to mount over how far the U.S. and Israel are willing to escalate their attacks. A particularly critical flashpoint is the Bushehr nuclear power plant, notable both for its civilian status and for its involvement with Russia. Although Washington and Tel Aviv have given Moscow assurances that Bushehr will not be targeted, recent developments have cast serious doubt on the credibility of these promises. In light of their actions and rhetoric, both the U.S. and Israel can no longer be regarded as reliable actors. Any strike on Bushehr would almost certainly be seen by Russia as the crossing of a major red line—with unpredictable consequences.

The root issue in all of these conflicts is that the United States and Israel follow doctrines that emphasize overwhelming or disproportionate retaliation against perceived threats or enemies. Combined with the Western bloc's refusal to condemn provocative actions by their allies—and instead support them—these strategic postures make it increasingly likely that localized conflicts, whether in Eastern Europe or the Middle East, could escalate rapidly into a broader war. At present, the pace of developments seems to be outstripping the ability of any major power to fully control or contain them.

This dynamic is compounded by a deep structural bias within Western political and media ecosystems. The prevailing narratives in the U.S. and Europe systematically frame allied actions as justified, while adversaries are portrayed as uniquely illegitimate. Even when faced with clear violations of international law by Western powers, officials dismiss these concerns outright. For example, during a pre-summit NATO press conference, Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte was asked whether the U.S. bombing campaign against Iran undermined the West’s moral authority in condemning Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Rutte rejected the premise entirely, insisting that no international law had been violated by the United States. This categorical denial—despite legal scholars and foreign diplomats expressing grave concerns—highlights how deeply entrenched the Western immunity to self-critique has become.

Looking ahead, the ongoing conflicts in Gaza and the West Bank are increasingly overshadowed by the realization that a major international confrontation may be imminent. The U.S. political landscape offers no clear off-ramp. With bipartisan consensus on confronting perceived enemies and a deeply entrenched defense establishment, Washington appears to be accelerating toward a more aggressive, militarized global posture. The United States increasingly views China as a strategic threat. Whether that threat is economic, military, or ideological matters less than the reality that Washington is preparing for confrontation — and expects its allies to come along.

Finally, in an ironic twist, Pakistan has nominated Donald Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize.

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Jun 23 2025 09:32am
Interventions, or at least shitty ones, which pretty much all have been during the last ~25 years are actually what will capsize the US out of hegemony.

We've spent roughly 10 trillion dollars on Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, that's not counting the interest that's accumulate on that through the years. Basically 1/3 of our current debt, and we've got literally nothing to show for it.

Syria: run by a guy that used to run an Al-Qaeda offshoot. We literally used to have a bounty on his head.
Afghanistan: still run by the Taliban, stronger and more entrenched than ever
Iraq: run by Shia and people that are ideologically aligned to Iran
Libya: Failed state for over 10 years now. Huge hub for human trafficking on Europe's doorstep.


There's also the hundreds of billions dumped into Ukraine that i won't even mention here.


Alot of this is due to the anachronistic and irrational anti-colonization dogma of the post WW2 LWO.

In order to get a return on investment for toppling foreign governments, we must colonize them, settle & develop families, & develop & extract resources. We didn't do any of that and bore the costs with no ROI. This is how America was founded and how it thrived

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Jun 23 2025 12:35pm
Alot of this is due to the anachronistic and irrational anti-colonization dogma of the post WW2 LWO.

In order to get a return on investment for toppling foreign governments, we must colonize them, settle & develop families, & develop & extract resources. We didn't do any of that and bore the costs with no ROI. This is how America was founded and how it thrived


Should at least collect a.bit of oil
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Jun 23 2025 01:08pm
Should at least collect a.bit of oil


To break even at very least
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Jun 23 2025 01:30pm
To break even at very least


Ain't nobody want those shitholes. I rather live in a reality where during the last 20 years we offered 1-2 trillion and bought Greenland and annexed Alberta over the dumb fuckery they followed through with. Both Democrats and Republicans went absolute full retard.

edit: i can't really say i hate anyone in my life, but honestly some of the neocons that made this happen and in the process also killed probably around a million people, displaced tens of millions more while enslaving my kids with insurmountable debt probably deserve what McCain got.

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Jun 23 2025 01:33pm
Ain't nobody want those shitholes. I rather live in a reality where during the last 20 years we offered 1-2 trillion and bought Greenland and annexed Alberta over the dumb fuckery they followed through with. Both Democrats and Republicans went absolute full retard.


The problem is the people, not the geography in most cases, so ethnic cleansing solves that issue

America needs to annex Canada ASAP though please it just keeps getting worse and we have the best resources

The pretext is already there our government is controlled by foreigners who are not friends of America

McCain was a two-time traitor, the 2nd time is when he threw his lot in with the Marxists

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Jun 23 2025 02:20pm
They fucked up by betting on the wrong horse, they thought the US would continue to be weak


Yup. While i hate the fact that America is seemingly getting entangled in another sandbox war, i am glad that they got their balls back.

I'll take things that didn't happen for $800, Alex.


Wait until you find out that you have to replenish sm-3s.
I think we both know what i was getting at here. Obviously the houthis weren't about to sink anything, but one could confidently make the argument that multiple ships had to leave the red sea specifically because the houthis depleted their interceptors. Propaganda point? Sure, but im giving that dub to the houthis cause they definitely earned it

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Everyone is a proxy for Iran these days, including myself :rofl:


Are you implying that iran didnt take credit for these attacks?
I get your point, but iran has been bootyblasting american bases for a while now
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