Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 30 2021 03:42pm)

Read NY's declaration of a state of emergency that I linked. The NY governor is acting because cases and hospitalizations are surging to, quote, "levels not seen since April 2020". The situation is not under control due to Delta, the old strain... Omicron isn't even factored in yet.
Also, the majority of things being back to normal implies that the return to normalcy is not completed yet. In the long run, "the majority of everday" being back to normal just isn't good enough.


It's not necessary to turn this into a blame game. Whether Biden is to blame for the current situation or not doesn't even matter - I'm merely stating the fact that he didn't deliver on his central campaign promise, even in places where neither Republicans nor MAGA-heads nor antivaxxers can be brought up as an excuse.

Quote (thesnipa @ 30 Nov 2021 21:48)

the idea that we're even talking about holding people to campaign promises in the modern era is childish and naïve.

only mental midgets vote for someone based on what they promise. let alone on a topic like a rapidly evolving worldwide virus.

this conversation reeks of the morons who link the "promises made, promises kept" type lists from the Trump presidency.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 30 2021 01:20pm)

I actually don't think it's unreasonable at all to hold politicians accountable for THE central promise of their campaign. Maybe not verbatim, but at least in spirit.

Also note that it's not just the promise Biden made (return to normalcy), but also the jab at his opponent implied by this pitch: that Trump's incompetence and unfitness for office were the primary reason for the shitty situation the country was in. Well, Biden better pray that Omicron doesn't take off or is less bad than feared, because if it does, he'll have to preside over a return to lockdowns and look like a complete failure and hypocrite.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 30 2021 04:20pm)

I actually don't think it's unreasonable at all to hold politicians accountable for THE central promise of their campaign. Maybe not verbatim, but at least in spirit.

Also note that it's not just the promise Biden made (return to normalcy), but also the jab at his opponent implied by this pitch: that Trump's incompetence and unfitness for office were the primary reason for the shitty situation the country was in. Well, Biden better pray that Omicron doesn't take off or is less bad than feared, because if it does, he'll have to preside over a return to lockdowns and look like a complete failure and hypocrite.

Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 30 2021 02:27pm)

Trump tried to endorse vaccines while telling people to do whatever they want. biden scared more people into getting them with employer mandates. so biden wins.

meanwhile the swamp is still there and the wall wasnt built. a return to normalcy seems to be what we have, biden's scandals have been a tiny blip on the radar thusfar. sure, that's media driven, but biden knew the media would handle him with kid gloves when he made his pitch as a more boring and experienced option.

simply put we'd be worse off against C19 if trump were in office still than we are under biden. its really unarguable. whether its to a noteworthy degree to justify campaign promises is subjective.

Quote (thesnipa @ 30 Nov 2021 15:48)

the idea that we're even talking about holding people to campaign promises in the modern era is childish and naïve.

only mental midgets vote for someone based on what they promise. let alone on a topic like a rapidly evolving worldwide virus.

this conversation reeks of the morons who link the "promises made, promises kept" type lists from the Trump presidency.

Quote (Landmine @ Nov 30 2021 01:31pm)

Because the Democrats wouldn’t get the vaccine? That’s what I remember all the lefty twitter space and politicians and media stating that they don’t trust the vaccine because orange man bad.

Quote (TiStuff @ Nov 30 2021 04:39pm)

ya vaccine hesitant, cause TDS

JUST remember ev1
trump is the father of the vaccine not biden
whose all jabbed up? whose the trumptard?

Quote (Budgeting @ Nov 30 2021 02:00pm)

trump is not the father of the vaccines. the individual companies are.

pfizer took no R&D funds from the gov under operation warp speed. Pfizer's own communications reps noted that their agreement wiht operation warp speed was solely on distribution pending FDA emergency use authorization. Trump trying to pressure the FDA to approve this quicker but they held out to complete the remainder of the trials.

Moderna took federal funding that was available.

Providing federal funding in the midst of a pandemic for the vaccine does not make you the "Father of the vaccine".

Quote (thesnipa @ 30 Nov 2021 22:27)

Trump tried to endorse vaccines while telling people to do whatever they want. biden scared more people into getting them with employer mandates. so biden wins.

meanwhile the swamp is still there and the wall wasnt built. a return to normalcy seems to be what we have, biden's scandals have been a tiny blip on the radar thusfar. sure, that's media driven, but biden knew the media would handle him with kid gloves when he made his pitch as a more boring and experienced option.

simply put we'd be worse off against C19 if trump were in office still than we are under biden. its really unarguable. whether its to a noteworthy degree to justify campaign promises is subjective.