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Oct 31 2020 08:03am
Quote (12345678 @ 31 Oct 2020 02:58)
Any cases of other diseases?


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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 31 2020 02:00am)
Numbers are catastrophic all across the northern hemisphere.

49k in France (pop: 67m)
31k in Italy (60m)
25k in Spain (47m)
24k in the UK (67m)
24k in Belgium (11.5m)
19k in Germany (83m)
11k in the Netherlands (17m)
21k in Poland (38m)
13k in the Czech Republic (10.7m)
9200 in Switzerland (8.6m)
5600 in Austria (8.9m)


So with the exception of Germany (which is close), all those major European countries have a higher incidence than the U.S. (pop: 329m) at the moment. Belgium, in particular, is a complete disaster zone. Their numbers would be equivalent to 688k daily cases in the U.S.


I expected user Saucisson6000 to jump in and state that these numbers are Fake News but looks like this pathetic user has become very quiet after months of shitposting stating that Trump is "killing people" and EU is so superior. It's hilarious

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Oct 31 2020 09:32am
Quote (Bazi @ 31 Oct 2020 14:09)
You don’t look at just all excess deaths but you look specifically excess heart attacks , strokes , etc.


Sure, but from a macro perspective, should society really care too much about the specific types of excess mortality as long as they have a common cause?

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I do understand your point of lockdowns and I think ideally they aren’t needed if the population is doing the right things - see Asia.


But some ingredients of Asia's approach are not feasible in the West, neither in Europe nor in North America. For example, China, South Korea, Japan, Vietnam, Australia, New Zealand - they are all islands, de facto islands (SK) or have otherwise closed off their borders (China, Vietnam). Additionally, most of these countries use digital surveillance, location tracking, centralized quarantine camps instead of home quarantine, etc. pp. None of that stuff would fly here.
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Oct 31 2020 10:18am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 31 2020 10:32am)
Sure, but from a macro perspective, should society really care too much about the specific types of excess mortality as long as they have a common cause?



But some ingredients of Asia's approach are not feasible in the West, neither in Europe nor in North America. For example, China, South Korea, Japan, Vietnam, Australia, New Zealand - they are all islands, de facto islands (SK) or have otherwise closed off their borders (China, Vietnam). Additionally, most of these countries use digital surveillance, location tracking, centralized quarantine camps instead of home quarantine, etc. pp. None of that stuff would fly here.


Yes because underlying rates of mental illness differ country to country, State to state. You need to be accurate when talking about excess mortality. If a diabetic ate himself into oblivion while depressed and went into dka and died, that should not be counted as a covid death (nor does it contrary to public opinion)

Regarding Asia:
Rampant early testing in February and isolation of infected individuals would have been tolerated by most Americans. Contact tracing and testing would/should also be possible in 2020. That was really all that was needed to stop it in its track with the head start the US had on the majority of the world. You also would have saved the unnecessary early shutdown when you would have realized the virus is non existent in the majority of the country at that time. Then saving the shutdown for when it would be needed.
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Oct 31 2020 10:31am
Quote (Djunior @ 31 Oct 2020 16:06)
I expected user Saucisson6000 to jump in and state that these numbers are Fake News but looks like this pathetic user has become very quiet after months of shitposting stating that Trump is "killing people" and EU is so superior. It's hilarious


When i read your posts i understand why your country got fucked by the first wave while it has all the potential to stop it.
The second will be even more dramatic and make US going even far beyond worst EU countries.

You know it, you know it's incoming. And... You probably will still dare to open the orifice you are using as a "mouth".

A pure genius.
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Oct 31 2020 10:36am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Oct 31 2020 05:31pm)
When i read your posts i understand why your country got fucked by the first wave while it has all the potential to stop it.
The second will be even more dramatic and make US going even far beyond worst EU countries.

You know it, you know it's incoming. And... You probably will still dare to open the orifice you are using as a "mouth".

A pure genius.


You guys in full blown lockdown yet? I just learned that cases in your country are catastrophic. I mean, that sucks when you're pretending you're doing so well doesn't it ^_^

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Oct 31 2020 10:48am
Quote (Djunior @ 31 Oct 2020 17:36)
You guys in full blown lockdown yet? I just learned that cases in your country are catastrophic. I mean, that sucks when you're pretending you're doing so well doesn't it ^_^


When frenchies want to leave their home, they need a permit and are limited to 1 hour per day. :unsure:

https://www.gouvernement.fr/sites/default/files/attestation_de_deplacement_derogatoire.pdf
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 31 Oct 2020 17:48)
When frenchies want to leave their home, they need a permit and are limited to 1 hour per day. :unsure:

https://www.gouvernement.fr/sites/default/files/attestation_de_deplacement_derogatoire.pdf


It's one hour to walk outside without a reason, but you can also take the "purchase essential material" choice and waste 3 hours in commercial area... I means if you enjoy Covid risks. While buying nothing but computer components & stuff for the house.
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Oct 31 2020 11:32am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 31 2020 05:48pm)
When frenchies want to leave their home, they need a permit and are limited to 1 hour per day. :unsure:

https://www.gouvernement.fr/sites/default/files/attestation_de_deplacement_derogatoire.pdf


That means there's only one measure left after this and that's welding their doors shut just like the Chinese did back in february. Ouch

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Oct 31 2020 11:47am
Stanford University estimates 30,000 cases and 700+ deaths can be traced to Trump rallies between June 20 and September 22.

https://sebotero.github.io/papers/COVIDrallies_10_30_2000.pdf
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