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Nov 23 2021 04:41pm
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Nov 23 2021 05:26pm)
yes and no, there is a psychological component to prices and if you shut down a project, that results in a massive amount of lost money that was already invested, the price goes up


Uh, maybe a decade from now...

That pipeline has absolutely nothing to do with gas prices now lol.
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Nov 23 2021 04:44pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 23 2021 11:24am)
Because neither he nor his admin have any upside. They will have a much harder time to make up lost ground in the polls than, say, Trump or Obama who had a large, enthusiastic base. So even if voters have forgotten the "transitory inflation" from the previous winter by the time the midterms come around, the general sense of dissatisfaction will imho not go away. Just look at the way Afghanistan dealt a heavy hit to Biden's approval and how he hasn't recovered even though Afghanistan has long faded from the news cycle.


You're right that he doesn't have an enthusiastic base. To me, it seems like the best course of action is to play the long game. If his agenda doesn't cause a bump in the polls by the time midterms roll around, then there really isn't anything he could do IMO. He should just do what he thinks is right and just deal with the consequences.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 23 2021 02:02pm)
Biden's moves to shut down pipelines and crack down on fracking surely didn't help. Also keep in mind that his political agenda contains a long-term move away from fossils which will further decrease the investment climate among domestic producers.


I don't think it hurt either. I think we're talking about fractions of pennies there. Anyway, the writing is on the wall regarding the automotive industry and it's been like that for a decade now. People have always wanted more fuel efficient vehicles because oil/gas has always been a volatile commodity. It's a dying industry from an automotive perspective (plastics will always need to use oil for the foreseeable future).
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Nov 23 2021 05:15pm
Quote (Sixers @ 23 Nov 2021 23:19)
There's no connection between Biden's decision on the Keystone XL pipeline and the increased gas prices. Even if construction wasn't halted, the Keystone XL pipeline wasn't in operation, and wouldn't have been in operation for a long time. Therefore it wouldn't have an impact on current gas prices at all.

In regards to fracking; Biden promised a ban and he has done the complete opposite, in fact he has pushed for more of it....


So again, none of this is the reason for the high gas prices. These are all just common bullshit things you see posted on Facebook that people repeat time and time again, but none of them are actually the cause. Gas prices are high globally, not just in the U.S. It's a simple case of supply and demand as the global economy rebounds from the pandemic and demand is at an all-time high while the supply is still catching up and in many cases still limited due to covid-19 protocols. It doesn't matter who would be in office right now, the gas prices would go up just like they are everywhere else....


This is not only about Keystone XL, it's also about other pipelines:
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/11/07/biden-faces-heat-pipeline-propane-cost-519788

And about Biden's moratorium on drilling permits for federal land, which he only let go when courts forced him to:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/nov/17/biden-administration-gulf-of-mexico-oil-gas-drilling-leases

And of course the psychological effect plays a huge role. Why would any fossil company, particularly smaller fracking companies rather than megacoprs, go out on a limb when the POTUS is signalling that he wants the industry dead?
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Biden struck a defiant posture against the fossil fuel industry when campaigning for the White House, stating in a Democratic primary debate last year that there will be “no more subsidies for fossil fuel industry. No more drilling on federal lands. No more drilling, including offshore. No ability for the oil industry to continue to drill, period, ends[...]

Once in office, Biden quickly moved to realize at least part of this vision, calling a temporary halt to the issuance of oil and gas drilling permits across America’s vast publicly owned lands.





Fact of the matter is that gas prices stayed low over the past decade, in contrast to the soaring prices of the 2000s, because the American fracking industry was able to quickly move in and compensate any throttled production by OPEC. The pandemic has devastated the fracking industry however, and Biden is deliberately doing absolutely nothing to help them get on their feet, on the contrary, he's creating a hostile environment for this industry - the industry which would be the only chance to counteract or at least alleviate OPEC's ongoing, strategic squeeze.

I'm not saying that Biden's stance on fossil fuels is necessarily the wrong one, but he is clearly prioritizing, in a multitude of ways, a reduction in greenhouse gas emissions over affordable energy. Pretending like all the big and little things he's doing in this regard have nothing to do with gas prices is intellectually dishonest. Yes, the single biggest contributing factor (aftershock of the pandemic, global supply chain issues) to the current surge in energy prices is not Biden's fault, but no, this does not absolve him from the contribution his policies and his messaging have had on the current situation.

At the end of the day, prioritizing a reduction in emissions over cheap energy is a landmark policy decision made by the administration and the admin will have to bear the political responsibility for it, no matter how much they backpedal and deflect.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 23 2021 05:16pm
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Nov 23 2021 05:28pm
Quote (thundercock @ 23 Nov 2021 23:44)
You're right that he doesn't have an enthusiastic base. To me, it seems like the best course of action is to play the long game. If his agenda doesn't cause a bump in the polls by the time midterms roll around, then there really isn't anything he could do IMO. He should just do what he thinks is right and just deal with the consequences.

Agreed. I think in retrospect, the Biden admin was dead in the water from the get go. He's not a particularly great politician and his party didn't have a particularly great platform - he won because he was the right man at the right time to take advantage of a uniquely polarizing opponent who was self-destructing. He's not president because voters were thrilled to vote him into the WH, he's there because voters were thrilled to vote Trump out of the WH.

The only chance Biden had to escape the "placeholder gravity" was to enact large parts of a big bold agenda which has a significant, positive impact on people's lives by the time he's up for reelection - but that path was dead the moment his majorities hinged on Joe Manchin and a 5-seat margin in the House.



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I don't think it hurt either. I think we're talking about fractions of pennies there. Anyway, the writing is on the wall regarding the automotive industry and it's been like that for a decade now. People have always wanted more fuel efficient vehicles because oil/gas has always been a volatile commodity. It's a dying industry from an automotive perspective (plastics will always need to use oil for the foreseeable future).

True, but most people won't care about such a long-term perspective while they're feeling the inflation in their pocket books.

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Nov 23 2021 06:34pm
Quote (Sixers @ Nov 23 2021 11:41pm)
Uh, maybe a decade from now...

That pipeline has absolutely nothing to do with gas prices now lol.


mmmmh no? their investment has gone to shit the moment biden became president
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Nov 23 2021 06:35pm
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Nov 23 2021 04:34pm)
mmmmh no? their investment has gone to shit the moment biden became president


TDS was the only consideration?
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Nov 24 2021 03:50pm
https://www.axios.com/biden-restart-trump-remain-mexico-49d43ad0-41d3-4e09-8fe5-a90dd62b78ea.html

Per court order, the Biden administration is resuming the Remain In Mexico policy for illegal aliens
They have however amended it by giving aliens a free covid-19 vaccine before being returned across the border
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Nov 24 2021 03:54pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Nov 24 2021 01:50pm)
https://www.axios.com/biden-restart-trump-remain-mexico-49d43ad0-41d3-4e09-8fe5-a90dd62b78ea.html

Per court order, the Biden administration is resuming the Remain In Mexico policy for illegal aliens
They have however amended it by giving aliens a free covid-19 vaccine before being returned across the border


That's some 5D chess there. The only way conservatives will take the vaccine is if they think Mexicans are taking them from them.
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Nov 24 2021 04:42pm
Are there actually losers on jsp that like joe biden?
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Nov 24 2021 05:31pm
Quote (HASBULLAH @ Nov 24 2021 02:42pm)
Are there actually losers on jsp that like joe biden?


I'm not aware of any losers who like Joe Biden. Just winners.
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