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Dec 9 2023 09:26am
Quote (Meanwhile @ Dec 9 2023 02:36pm)
Not when when I see the UN vote result.


Do you agree Hamas surrendering would stop the war and suffering?
Would you support their surrender?
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Dec 9 2023 09:29am
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I support Israel's people. :hug:


Do they support you?

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Dec 9 2023 09:39am
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Do you agree Hamas surrendering would stop the war and suffering?
Would you support their surrender?


This is decades vicious circle largely maintained by the strongest party. I am almost certain that even if Hamas would surrender Israeli army would continue to bomb children for few weeks "just to be sure" ...

It didnt happen in a vacuum, it will not stop magically: An excuse is needed to justify what seems to be war crimes carrying several genocide traits.


I am not supporting endless discussions while killing people or obtuses questions, I am supporting immediate humanitarian ceasefire.
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This is decades vicious circle largely maintained by the strongest party. I am almost certain that even if Hamas would surrender Israeli army would continue to bomb children for few weeks "just to be sure" ...

It didnt happen in a vacuum, it will not stop magically: An excuse is needed to justify what seems to be war crimes carrying several genocide traits.


I am not supporting endless discussions while killing people or obtuses questions, I am supporting immediate humanitarian ceasefire.


Do you think Hamas should surrender?
Saying you support a ceasefire is basically saying you support Hamas.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Dec 9 2023 10:00am
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Do you think Hamas should surrender?
Saying you support a ceasefire is basically saying you support Hamas.


I am aligned with almost all countries in the world but i am supporting Hamas ?
Nah.

This is not simply a stupid game, it's a murderous infamy:

https://www-francetvinfo-fr.translate.goog/monde/proche-orient/israel-palestine/conflit-israel-hamas-certains-jours-plus-de-morts-que-de-blesses-arrivent-a-l-hopital-a-gaza-alerte-la-presidente-de-msf_6233142.html?_x_tr_sl=fr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp


Israel-Hamas conflict: “Some days, more dead than injured arrive at the hospital” in Gaza, warns MSF president
“It’s unique to have so many war-wounded children in a conflict,” notes Isabelle Defourny, Saturday December 9 on franceinfo.

“Certain days, more dead than injured arrive at the hospital” in the Gaza Strip, warned Saturday December 9 on franceinfo Isabelle Defourny, the president of Doctors Without Borders (MSF). She describes a situation "more desperate than ever" in this area , a week after the resumption of the conflict between Israel and Hamas.
MSF teams continue to work in the al-Aqsa hospital, says Isabelle Defourny, but in “extremely difficult conditions” . The president of the NGO warns about the number of children present in hospital services. “It’s unique to have so many children injured by war in a conflict, in general, they are adults or men, but not so many children ,” she laments.

They represent "around 25%" of the injured, including "50% who are under 18 years old" , details Isabelle Defourny. “The teams tell us that all these people suffer from multiple traumas and are crushed, burned, dismembered,” she reports, “children arrive torn apart, in tatters, it’s horrible . ”
“38% of the population of the South say they suffer severely from hunger”

Beyond the injuries, Isabelle Defourny is also concerned about the humanitarian consequences of this conflict on the civilian population of Gaza. She cites a survey conducted this week by the United Nations World Food Program (WFP), which concludes "that 38% of the population of the South say they suffer from severe hunger" , which means that "during the last ten days, "They sometimes went 24 hours without eating . "

According to the president of MSG, even if "the truce made it possible to bring medicines, medical equipment and a little food" , this is not enough. Especially since "as soon as the conflict resumed, the number of trucks entering the Gaza Strip was reduced enormously", deplores Isabelle Defourny. She also insists on "the impossibility of setting up distributions due to the bombings", which makes her say, as well as other aid actors, "that the continuation of relief is very, very limited in these conditions [...], it is the entire aid system which is in difficulty .

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Are you supporting the immediate humanitarian ceasefire yes or no ?
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Dec 9 2023 10:11am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Dec 9 2023 11:00am)

Saying you support a ceasefire is basically saying you support Hamas.


Just like how being an anti zionist makes you an anti Semite

Saying you want the bombing to stop on schools,mosques,hospitals,churches and government buildings does not mean you support hamas. 60% of all gazan infrastructure has been turned to rubble!
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I am aligned with almost all countries in the world but i am supporting Hamas ?
Nah.

This is not simply a stupid game, it's a murderous infamy:

https://www-francetvinfo-fr.translate.goog/monde/proche-orient/israel-palestine/conflit-israel-hamas-certains-jours-plus-de-morts-que-de-blesses-arrivent-a-l-hopital-a-gaza-alerte-la-presidente-de-msf_6233142.html?_x_tr_sl=fr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp


Israel-Hamas conflict: “Some days, more dead than injured arrive at the hospital” in Gaza, warns MSF president
“It’s unique to have so many war-wounded children in a conflict,” notes Isabelle Defourny, Saturday December 9 on franceinfo.

“Certain days, more dead than injured arrive at the hospital” in the Gaza Strip, warned Saturday December 9 on franceinfo Isabelle Defourny, the president of Doctors Without Borders (MSF). She describes a situation "more desperate than ever" in this area , a week after the resumption of the conflict between Israel and Hamas.
MSF teams continue to work in the al-Aqsa hospital, says Isabelle Defourny, but in “extremely difficult conditions” . The president of the NGO warns about the number of children present in hospital services. “It’s unique to have so many children injured by war in a conflict, in general, they are adults or men, but not so many children ,” she laments.

They represent "around 25%" of the injured, including "50% who are under 18 years old" , details Isabelle Defourny. “The teams tell us that all these people suffer from multiple traumas and are crushed, burned, dismembered,” she reports, “children arrive torn apart, in tatters, it’s horrible . ”
“38% of the population of the South say they suffer severely from hunger”

Beyond the injuries, Isabelle Defourny is also concerned about the humanitarian consequences of this conflict on the civilian population of Gaza. She cites a survey conducted this week by the United Nations World Food Program (WFP), which concludes "that 38% of the population of the South say they suffer from severe hunger" , which means that "during the last ten days, "They sometimes went 24 hours without eating . "

According to the president of MSG, even if "the truce made it possible to bring medicines, medical equipment and a little food" , this is not enough. Especially since "as soon as the conflict resumed, the number of trucks entering the Gaza Strip was reduced enormously", deplores Isabelle Defourny. She also insists on "the impossibility of setting up distributions due to the bombings", which makes her say, as well as other aid actors, "that the continuation of relief is very, very limited in these conditions [...], it is the entire aid system which is in difficulty .

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Are you supporting the immediate humanitarian ceasefire yes or no ?


No.
A ceasefire allows Hamas to continue ruling Gaza.

Why don't you support Hamas surrendering? They cannot defeat the IDF. People are suffering. Israel will not rest until Hamas capability is destroyed.

Why don't you support Hamas' surrender?
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Quote (zorzin @ Dec 9 2023 04:11pm)
Just like how being an anti zionist makes you an anti Semite

Saying you want the bombing to stop on schools,mosques,hospitals,churches and government buildings does not mean you support hamas. 60% of all gazan infrastructure has been turned to rubble!


A ceasefire means Hamas will remain.

Is that acceptable to you?
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Dec 9 2023 10:34am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 9 Dec 2023 17:13)
No.
A ceasefire allows Hamas to continue ruling Gaza.
Why don't you support Hamas surrendering? They cannot defeat the IDF. People are suffering. Israel will not rest until Hamas capability is destroyed.
Why don't you support Hamas' surrender?


- Israel largely contributed in Hamas ruling Gaza, because their nazionalists & religious integrists always needed a scapegoat.
- No proof Israel would stop bombings, it's not even formalized, I am suspecting they would probably would try to minimize or deny a "surrender" immediately.
- Massacre continues, right now, most of the World asking it to stop, children bombings supporters have blood on their hands.
- Islamist are dangerous, and it seems these "neo-zionists", or hard right israelis, are extremely rude and reckless. They are both dangerous and no one is fooled when we see these settlers spitting on christians.

The vicious circle has to stop, immediate humanitarian ceasefire, now!

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Dec 9 2023 10:39am
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Quote (Meanwhile @ 9 Dec 2023 18:34)
- Israel largely contributed in Hamas ruling Gaza, because their nazionalists & religious integrists always needed a scapegoat.
- No proof Israel would stop bombings, it's not even formalized, I am suspecting they would probably would try to minimize or deny a "surrender" immediately.
- Massacre continues, right now, most of the World asking it to stop, children bombings supporters have blood on their hands.
- Islamist are dangerous, and it seems these "neo-zionists", or hard right israelis, are extremely rude and reckless. They are both dangerous and no one is fooled when we see these settlers spitting on christians.

The vicious circle has to stop, immediate humanitarian ceasefire, now!


Okay, thank you for your unbiased opinion we will keep the bombs on Gaza until they surrender and return the hostages.

Good night
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