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Jan 15 2020 08:34am
Little trivia bit: the German public's first good clue that the Goebbels propaganda machine wasn't telling them everything was when the Germans started asking the citizens to engage in their patriotic duties to send good winter clothing to the front. Left unsaid was Germany's incapacity to do so.
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Jan 15 2020 08:34am
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that's really funny considering your very first post in this 'conversation' was an incorrect, bad faith characterisation of what i actually said: "Fender is claiming Santara doesnt know about Napoleon" is simply not true.

of course i can't force you to engage me honestly, i just don't want you to kid yourself into thinking you did. you were defensive and biased on santa's behalf from the get go, and i guess telling some inconvenient truths about the american educational system didn't exactly help to remedy that...


im biased on his behalf because ive been having conversations with him on military history for 10 years. and would you lookie there, he came back with the full context that proves both of the plurals correct in his post. almost like i knew he wasnt an idiot that would get a 500$ question wrong on Who Wants To Me A Millionaire, or something.

i do tend to be biased on simple truths, whereas your bias here is not liking Santa and therefore taking the angle the he must be an idiot who couldnt even understand how "ignorant" his entirely factual statement was.

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Plural is accurate though. The Eastern Front for the Germans composed three army GROUPS, each consisting of multiple armies, that fought over multiple winters. The worst were undeniably the winter of 1941 at the gates of Moscow, where Stalin even insisted that his armies make a stand on the same field that Napoleon was defeated on, even though his generals insisted it wasn't tactically important, not defensible, but they did anyways and lost. The next was the winter of 1942, where army group B (mainly the 6th army and 4th panzer army) was attempting to take Stalingrad. Even in 1942, the German army was poorly equipped for winter combat, and as winter set in, the Germans (who had already captured about 90% of the city) were poorly prepared - and when the Soviets crushed the Romanians on their flanks and enveloped them in Stalingrad, winter did most of the rest. I bet you even know how many of those Germans survived the war (it wasn't many).

/e never mind the fact that the German army in the winter comment wasn't even directed at you, and the comment that was directed at you went ignored.



this might be the 3rd straight victory in conflicts between the United States of America and German empires. heinrich of course is the empire of the fourtth reich of faux outrage
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Plural is accurate though. The Eastern Front for the Germans composed three army GROUPS, each consisting of multiple armies, that fought over multiple winters. The worst were undeniably the winter of 1941 at the gates of Moscow, where Stalin even insisted that his armies make a stand on the same field that Napoleon was defeated on, even though his generals insisted it wasn't tactically important, not defensible, but they did anyways and lost. The next was the winter of 1942, where army group B (mainly the 6th army and 4th panzer army) was attempting to take Stalingrad. Even in 1942, the German army was poorly equipped for winter combat, and as winter set in, the Germans (who had already captured about 90% of the city) were poorly prepared - and when the Soviets crushed the Romanians on their flanks and enveloped them in Stalingrad, winter did most of the rest. I bet you even know how many of those Germans survived the war (it wasn't many).

/e never mind the fact that the German army in the winter comment wasn't even directed at you, and the comment that was directed at you went ignored.


took you quite a while to google what i expected to be the obvious but incredibly cringy attempt to save face. i think even you are aware that everyone involved knows this is complete bs and not at all what you initially meant, but hey, if it helps you sleep at night...
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Jan 15 2020 08:40am
I guess it's easier to vomit on ww2 than Iraq 2003 or Iran 2020
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im biased on his behalf because ive been having conversations with him on military history for 10 years. and would you lookie there, he came back with the full context that proves both of the plurals correct in his post. almost like i knew he wasnt an idiot that would get a 500$ question wrong on Who Wants To Me A Millionaire, or something.

i do tend to be biased on simple truths, whereas your bias here is not liking Santa and therefore taking the angle the he must be an idiot who couldnt even understand how "ignorant" his entirely factual statement was.


oh come on, don't insult your own intelligence like that. if you were actually confident his initial statement was intentionally and correctly phrased that way, you wouldn't have jumped through all those hoops to make excuses while ignoring the use of plural. you also wouldn't have had to mischaracterise my claim in your first post. this is really getting ridiculous, you're performing for a non existent audience again...
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Jan 15 2020 08:46am
heinrich and sauceman66606060606 brutally bamboozled like in 1941 and 1945. carrying out the ancient legacy of their losing-addicted war-loving ancestors
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oh come on, don't insult your own intelligence like that. if you were actually confident his initial statement was intentionally and correctly phrased that way, you wouldn't have jumped through all those hoops to make excuses while ignoring the use of plural. you also wouldn't have had to mischaracterise my claim in your first post. this is really getting ridiculous, you're performing for a non existent audience again...


i personally didnt have confidence his original statement was right, truthfully i even googled German-Russian engagements in WW1 to see if maybe that was his angle. then, as i said outright, i just assumed he made a mistake in using plurals. but, being the better student of military history than me, he came back and dunked on you and me both.

i assume people are ignorant all of the time, i just dont assume Santara specifically is ignorant of military history. that would be as dumb as invading Russia in winter, twice in one war even.

but as i see you're taking the "you googled that and are just a liar" angle now..... why even bother talking with you anymore? you talk about biases and good faith, but come at santara and refuse to take on new info. because you're baised against him and not in good faith. even your "it took you a while", as if he didnt need to triple check all of the info in his post to avoid you pointing out a tiny mistake as if he's still an ignorant idiot.

but sure, guy who joined pard in 2015 when santara was already inactive generally. tell us all who knows what based on plurals and singulars in their posts lol.
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Jan 15 2020 08:56am
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i personally didnt have confidence his original statement was right, truthfully i even googled German-Russian engagements in WW1 to see if maybe that was his angle. then, as i said outright, i just assumed he made a mistake in using plurals. but, being the better student of military history than me, he came back and dunked on you and me both.

i assume people are ignorant all of the time, i just dont assume Santara specifically is ignorant of military history. that would be as dumb as invading Russia in winter, twice in one war even.

but as i see you're taking the "you googled that and are just a liar" angle now..... why even bother talking with you anymore? you talk about biases and good faith, but come at santara and refuse to take on new info. because you're baised against him and not in good faith. even your "it took you a while", as if he didnt need to triple check all of the info in his post to avoid you pointing out a tiny mistake as if he's still an ignorant idiot.

but sure, guy who joined pard in 2015 when santara was already inactive generally. tell us all who knows what based on plurals and singulars in their posts lol.


well it IS very obvious though, because if he ACTUALLY was that anal about it, he wouldn't have said that russian winters 'killed' german armies. can't have your cake and eat it.

it's so funny to me because i'm pretty sure all three of us are very well aware of what actually happened here, you're just too proud to admit it - and let's not pretend like you've been entirely reasonable these days. completely misrepresenting what i actually said in your very first post kind of gave it away - and no amount of semantics will make THAT 'technically correct'...
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Jan 15 2020 08:59am
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heinrich and sauceman66606060606 brutally bamboozled like in 1941 and 1945. carrying out the ancient legacy of their losing-addicted war-loving ancestors


Such a pity, and Uncle Pablo agrees, that murican pard desesperate housewives are sticking on old ww2 events because, yes, they have nothing good since more than 75 years...

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WE ARE IN IRAN TOPIC.

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