If health care insurance providers were to all become 501c3 our health care expenditures as a portion of our GDP would go down immediately and quite a bit, as services standardize and the artificial inflation disappears as the providers of insurance focus on better service rather than gaming the system of reimbursements to see who they can screw out of some money to pay themselves on top of their salaries. They would still have to be profitable, because the profit is what enables them to do better and get more mission done, and if they're not getting it done then somebody else will.

There is no mission though, just shareholders squeezing blood out of turnips so they can keep funneling money into the savings of the 1%.

Fat politics is identity politics.

This post was edited by Skinned on Apr 7 2016 09:25am

Let's assume everyone works 8AM-5PM Mon-Fri. Most people wake up 1-2 hours prior to work. I think it's a conservative estimate to assume most peoples' commute to/from work is at least 30 minutes round trip. My round trip is closer to 40 minutes. My wife's is closer to 50 minutes. My co-worker's is closer to 100 minutes since he commutes from a different city. Anyway, let's say a person gets home at 5:15PM. What are their responsibilities once they're off work? I personally get the mail, take garbage out if it's garbage day, let my dog out, feed the dog, pick up the house a little, do some dishes, possibly do some laundry. I have a few minutes to myself until my wife gets home with our one year old daughter. Thankfully my wife is done pumping for the most part and we have to clean a fraction of the bottles we used to, but we still cloth diaper (we pay a service to clean them), so we have to unload them into the bin. My daughter's bedtime routine starts at 7PM, so before that we have to have dinner. We eat relatively healthy, which means we cook most nights, which means dishes, plus we have to make leftover meals for the next day, especially for our daughter. Daughter is asleep between 7:30-8:00PM.

The only gym we could find in our city that has daycare is $90/mo, plus we still have to pay specifically for the daycare service. I also have a gym membership at a franchise gym, which is only $10/mo. Not everyone can afford $90/mo, especially when they don't go enough to make it worth it. Wife and I try to go two times a week, but lately I've been renovating our house, so that hasn't been happening. Also, the grass is growing now, so I'm spending 1-1.5 hours doing lawn care at least one day a week. I like to run, but since I only have so much time to spend with my family, we end up walking the dog and pushing the stroller. My only option is to work out on my lunch break, which I do twice a week. Not everyone has that ability.

This doesn't include all kinds of countless, common chores, plus we only have one kid. The time issue is only compounded with the more kids you have.

This post was edited by ericswanson_19 on Apr 7 2016 09:44am

Thats a whole lot of assumptions to fit one particular area that disrupts the "free time" idea. Not even close to everyone has kids. Not everyone is broke. Not everyone has a yard to maintain. Not everyone has a dog. Not everyone works 8-5. etc. etc. etc. Yet something like 70% of our people are fat as fuck. Its just not an excuse that holds up over the span of 220 million people.

This post was edited by Mangix on Apr 7 2016 09:45am

Imagine how much money that guy saved on groceries, lol.

I can sort of believe it. When you go into muscle-wasting ketosis, hunger more or less disappears.
I did a five day fast once out of curiosity and you quit being hungry after the second day. You just feel stretched thin and stressed out, and pretty irritable.

Edit: Fat loss significantly drops over time, though. If you have some intermittent meals (like 1k calories of protein daily), it's a safer approach and you can expect better fat loss.
The calories in/calories out simplification breaks down due to metabolic slowdown (among many other factors).

This post was edited by general_patton on Apr 7 2016 09:55am

No need to polarize the conversation. It isn't a stretch to think a lot of people have kids, a pet, and/or a yard. There are 125 million homes in the U.S. The 2007 census says 301 million people. Rounding up percentages implicates millions of people, so it's best to try and source the number. The number isn't that high, plus of that number not all are obese. About half of your implied percentage are just overweight, which doesn't mean fat as fuck.

This post was edited by ericswanson_19 on Apr 7 2016 09:59am

It doesn't really matter if people don't have time for the gym since weight loss just comes from being in a calorie deficit so if they're already in that then they don't need to work out anyway. It's still better to work out for other reasons but it isn't necessary for losing weight.

Something is definitely happening though if the rate of obesity is increasing. Willpower applies on an individual level, but on the statistical scale it carries no meaning.

Yeah. Its called stuffing their faces with garbage. Go to the grocery store sometime. Look around when you shop. Atleast 80% of the shit on the shelves belongs in a trash can. Most of said garbage has addictive effects on the brain.

This post was edited by Mangix on Apr 7 2016 11:14am

our food isn't food anymore

it's chemical and processed garbage that tricks and tweaks our bodies to where they no longer respond properly

and since we deny proper nutrition we eat more and more because our bodies crave nutrients that we are not getting enough of through garbage eating

We can talk about exercise but it's nutrition and diet.

Fake sugars cause real sugar cravings and it's all marketed at children which is where all the poor habits are developed which have life long results. Soda machines in schools, poor lunch menus, and cutbacks on physical education has lead to an army of obese

The only way to fix this is by early education. Proper nutrition is as important as any other major lesson they will learn

Maybe you're feeding on too much hate, although it is a rather tasty addictive energy.