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Dec 7 2023 05:16pm
Quote (El1te @ Dec 7 2023 03:13pm)

Plus, a human didn't kill them. A bomb did. Bomb's aren't people.


This is the dumbest thing I have heard in a while.

If I use a tool or a weapon to kill you, I have not committed murder, because I didn't kill you with my hands?
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Dec 7 2023 05:46pm
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This is the dumbest thing I have heard in a while.

If I use a tool or a weapon to kill you, I have not committed murder, because I didn't kill you with my hands?


More so or less this person was considered a target by the IDF and probably with good reasoning(not supporting it just speaking hypothetically)

What type of people would you kill in a war? The "smart" / "informed" / "intelligent" / "connected". The scientists? The writers? The doctors? The professors?

If you are trying to win a war your going to kill the best citizens they have. Sad but true.

Isn't this better then the indiscriminate bombing everyone is in a fuss about?

Look at Ukraine and Russia. They both have strategically killed anyone they think may BE or BECOME a threat?

To go further. Imagine you are in the IDF and for the last two months you watched HAMAS go in and out of a house and everyday you stared at a screen analyzing where these individuals were going. What they were doing. Who they were associated with. Imagine you talk to your superior officer and say, "Listen I've seen a lot of activity at this house and some of the individuals are HAMAS terrorist. 2 weeks ago there was little to no "action" and now you got "gun running" and "people smuggling". Bomb the target. That's intelligence operations doing their due-diligence and then acting upon it.

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Dec 7 2023 05:50pm
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More so or less this person was considered a target by the IDF and probably with good reasoning(not supporting it just speaking hypothetically)

What type of people would you kill in a war? The "smart" / "informed" / "intelligent" / "connected". The scientists? The writers? The doctors? The professors?

If you are trying to win a war your going to kill the best citizens they have. Sad but true.

Isn't this better then the indiscriminate bombing everyone is in a fuss about?

Look at Ukraine and Russia. They both have strategically killed anyone they think may BE or BECOME a threat?


I think the prevailing ethical standards for waging wars is to target enemy combatants. If you kill civilians, it's a war crime.

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I think the prevailing ethical standards for waging wars is to target enemy combatants. If you kill civilians, it's a war crime.


You are right my friend but we all know ethics and morals go out the window during warfare.

Good on you for sharing but you have to admit that the IDF was watching this guy for quite some time and that he was "targeted" for a reason.

If the Los Angeles police department can use satellites to identify a murderer that committed a "hit job" and then watch where he was "before" the hit(the people/places) and "after" and then bring down a gang operation in less then 48 hours then the IDF's Airforce can do that 1000x better and quicker. They have the advanced technology that Gaza doesn't and they use it to their full advantage.

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Dec 7 2023 06:13pm
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You are right my friend but we all know ethics and morals go out the window during warfare.


You are essentially saying that you endorse war crimes. Which is a fine moral position to take since there are a lot of psychopaths in our world. I am sure they approve of you.

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Good on you for sharing but you have to admit that the IDF was watching this guy for quite some time and that he was "targeted" for a reason.


If the IDF wants to target civilians like that, then what they can't do is claim that they don't murder people. Because they do.

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If the Los Angeles police department can use satellites to identify a murderer that committed a "hit job" and then watch where he was "before" the hit(the people/places) and "after" and then bring down a gang operation in less then 48 hours then the IDF's Airforce can do that 1000x better and quicker. They have the advanced technology that Gaza doesn't and they use it to their full advantage.


So basically Israel picks on someone much weaker, and you cheer them on. Good to know.
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Dec 7 2023 06:25pm
Quote (JessiWan @ 7 Dec 2023 18:13)
You are essentially saying that you endorse war crimes. Which is a fine moral position to take since there are a lot of psychopaths in our world. I am sure they approve of you.



If the IDF wants to target civilians like that, then what they can't do is claim that they don't murder people. Because they do.



So basically Israel picks on someone much weaker, and you cheer them on. Good to know.


I'm telling you facts regarding the technology they used I didn't say I approve of what they are doing I'm simply explaining how someone could be targeted and killed so easily.

So again imagine you have 24/7 365 satellite images of this person and you ask someone in the IDF, "Hey I need you to do a background check" and "See what/who this person has been in contact with since BEFORE 10/7????

&&& they sit for hours/days following this persons EVERY MOVE and then ultimately connect him to HAMAS and consider him a target??? Is that hard for you to see? That technology speeds up the process of identifying and eliminating a target exponentially?

Maybe you are right and what I said in previous posts is confirmed. The IDF uses AI powered weapons systems to eliminate targets WITHOUT human approval. Which is a war crime by the way but it also allows Israel to obfuscate some of the blame. IDF, "One of our advanced drones targeted and killed without our permission". Blame AI? Blame the IDF? Blame Hamas? Your guess is as good as mine..

I just want people posting in here to realize that the IDF has the capacity to SEE in REAL time what any "target" has basically done their entire life so the idea that they are just bombing indiscrimately is erroneous on it's face unless you admit Israel isn't following the rules of War which most of you believe?

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Dec 7 2023 06:35pm
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I'm telling you facts regarding the technology they used I didn't say I approve of what they are doing I'm simply explaining how someone could be targeted and killed so easily.

So again imagine you have 24/7 365 satellite images of this person and you ask someone in the IDF, "Hey I need you to do a background check" and "See what/who this person has been in contact with since BEFORE 10/7????

&&& they sit for hours/days following this persons EVERY MOVE and then ultimately connect him to HAMAS and consider him a target??? Is that hard for you to see? That technology speeds up the process of identifying and eliminating a target exponentially?


The IDF needs to have better reasons than, "We think he was connected to Hamas". Until the IDF has proven beyond any doubt that he was a terrorist, he was a civilian. And the IDF murdered him. Therefore, the IDF murders civilians.
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So again imagine you have 24/7 365 satellite images of this person and you ask someone in the IDF, "Hey I need you to do a background check" and "See what/who this person has been in contact with since BEFORE 10/7????


So the IDF tracks people 24/7 365 using satellite images. That's creepy as fuck. It's also a form of stalking.

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Maybe you are right and what I said in previous posts is confirmed. The IDF uses AI powered weapons systems to eliminate targets WITHOUT human approval. Which is a war crime by the way but it also allows Israel to obfuscate some of the blame. IDF, "One of our advanced drones targeted and killed without our permission". Blame AI? Blame the IDF? Blame Hamas? Your guess is as good as mine..


It's the IDF's fault. They should have known that their drones might target and kill people without their intervention and done something about it.

If you have a Rottweiler and it attacked someone without your permission, you are the one legally liable for any injuries it caused. It's the same principle.


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The IDF needs to have better reasons than, "We think he was connected to Hamas". Until the IDF has proven beyond any doubt that he was a terrorist, he was a civilian. And the IDF murdered him. Therefore, the IDF murders civilians.


This is all based on what just happened am I right?

They didn't THINK he was connected. They KNEW it. You wouldn't expend military resources and time on an individual/target that was a "nobody". I'm sorry but that's asinine...

I'm trying to get people to visualize for a second that you work for the IDF and your staring at someone and their movements to and fro 12 hours a day for weeks and it's your job to give an intelligence report on that person.

If they weren't talking to Hamas terrorist a month ago and now all of a sudden they're around Hamas terrorist 5 times a day that's a red flag. Anyone with a brain would be like, "Well that's odd" normally he'd take a shit at 3pm and now everyday he walks around this corner and talks to "someone" and that "someone" is a Hamas terrorist.

That's not my justification for Israel doing what they did. That's Israel's justification for doing what they did.
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Dec 7 2023 06:55pm
Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ Dec 7 2023 04:51pm)
They didn't THINK he was connected. They KNEW it.


And Christians don't just think God exists. They say that they know he exists. Very convincing argument, isn't it?

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I'm trying to get people to visualize for a second that you work for the IDF and your staring at someone and their movements to and fro 12 hours a day for weeksand it's your job to give an intelligence report on that person.


This is some creepy behavior that the IDF engages in. I don't know why you advertise it like this. You're making them look bad, lol.

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