the usa occupied 100% of afghanistan, displaced around 30 million people, and killed 400,000+ civilians. israel is hardly in our league.

but that does nothing to address the point im making, that afghanistan was a legitimate invasion, iraq was not, and neither was done even remotely correctly.

you can blame israel for the islamist extremism in gaza vs west bank, but that's hardly the whole story. lack of extremism in west bank is mostly motivated by proximity and occupation. the end of that logic is that israel should move settlers closer to gazans, and occupy a large % of the territory to force a more peaceful relationship. that's what you want? of course not.

in isolation extremism festers and intensifies. that is the story of gaza. left to it's own devices it has not and likely never will reform into a peaceful neighbor for israel. the west bank isnt the same.

Why do you believe this? Just curious as to your reasoning

america was attacked by a terrorist organization that was in control of the country of afghanistan. america had a legitimacy to hold those who planned and did the attack accountable for that.

but that group of people was very small, and rather than using special ops to capture them to be tried for their crimes, we invaded and entire nation, killed people beyond count, displaced almost everyone, and destabilized the entire nation to the point that only a violent authoritarian regime like ISIS can claw back some small sense of stabilization.

its like someone tossed a glass bottle in the air, and rather than catching it we fumbled it, broke through a table, snapped 12 old ladies legs, and then lit the house on fire. and left.

legit invasion just means we had a legitimate reason to enter the country, preferably with like 20 dudes, not 10k troops and bombing raids.

Disagree: Israel is largely above your league by compariing the size of their economy/population/land size. Same when we see the size of the land they annexed (and not abandonned), number of deported and killed.

Btw talking about "extremism" ... (Honestly i don't see why you are trying to "explain" the "lack of extremism" in West Bank... Seems some kind of weird gymnatics to avoid the reality of an occupation)

Even U.S are concerned by what is happening in West Bank...

More interested in the pack of wolves you encountered while taking a dump then the pack of LIES circulating this thread for two months.

The next time you get insulted by a commiefornian I'll try to make sure you stay on topic too!

lack of extremism by comparison. the palestinian authority (who governs WB) doesnt openly state they are going to stop at nothing to kill all of the jews in israel. hamas (who governs gaza) does.

lack of extremism by comparison doesnt mean lack of extremism entirely.

of course we're concerned with what's happening in the west bank, like i said pre-oct 7th the case for misdeeds by israel was stronger in the west bank. just like i said a few posts ago.

Stealing properties and sendind the refugees in a gigantic ruined prison for decades is certainly not the way to "treat" extremism... Victimizing over all this is vicious (I guess it's a Sin in both religions btw).

And we have these guys preventing the evil palestinians to " kill all of the jews in israel "

Would add a video with the religious crazies too, like I said several times: This is a super toxic mix of nationalism and religion. They are not "defending themselves" IMHO.

correct, i can be against what israel does in gaza, against what israel does in the west bank, and be against rhetoric which lumps these crimes together erroneously which is antithetical to progress.

israel wants these waters muddy, but but but west bank narratives keep them muddy.

No one stealint anything if a soldier caught stealing he will sit in jail
Cut the bs

Jews cant enter area governed by arabs, arabs can enter area govern by jews

This post was edited by Many_Names on Dec 7 2023 11:55am

stop lying