You are also ignoring what is happening in the West Bank. In the same way you are jumping to conclusions about what people think and creating scenarios, all this seems a bit lame.

I am more inclined to observe what people are doing. You have a terrorist group on one side, vastly created by the opposite entity, which is much more organized and structured.
This is why the Genocide accusations against Israel have been constantly growing for years: to make all this require a long planification. Exactly like the aggravating factor of premeditation in a crime.

Discussing sharing a pizza while eating it.

i'm not ignoring the west bank, it's just only tangentially relevant in context.

the authorities in charge of the west bank have zero control over gaza. hamas controls gaza. Hamas and the Palestinian Authority are allied in many ways, and fundamentally disagree in many other ways.

gazans are unlikely to accept Palestinian Authority rule post- war because the Palestinian Authority will not openly declare revenge on Israel. this is why before or after october 7th a 2 state solution wasn't possible. a 3 state solution potentially, but not 2 states. a unified gaza and west bank is a pipe dream. the people of gaza are simply more radicalized than the people of west bank. this is fairly ironic considering the greavences of the people of the west bank (settlement policy and the disputes over access to religious holy sites) are far more legitimate than the concerns of gazans pre-october 7th.

gazans didnt want to be free, they wanted to be free to attack israel. they dont want autonomy, they want autonomy to import more guns and rocket fuel.

the west bank wants to be free, they want a hard line with no IDF presence, they want their religious sites forever enshrines by national sovereignty.

similar, to be sure, but not the same. painting both of these with the same brush is a disservice to the complexity involved in solving this issue, and leaves open excuses for Israel to continue it's misdeeds. this is muddying the water just so israel can claim they cant see clearly. but but but the west bank is such a cop out of an argument. condemn israel for the west bank in the west bank context. condemn israel for gaza in gazan context. this is the same issue people had in criticizing the USA in iraq and afghanistan, where we had one country that posed a legitimate security threat (afghanistan) and one that did not (iraq). we invaded both. you can draw comparisons to condemn both actions, but lumping them does a disservice to both.

As an officer of the law there is a HUGE difference between accusation and conviction.
So until we are not convicted with genocide you only assume we do and since this according to you is a genocide for 75 years
I am pretty sure this is not a genocide.

Furthermore, not only Israel never started a war before it always kept thr status quo.
The Arabs are the ones who wants to genocide the Jews.
Fact is Jews cannot enter Arabs area yet Arabs can enter Jewish area.
Its that simple

This post was edited by Many_Names on Dec 7 2023 09:49am

Hamas wasnt created by Israel
You keep repeating this lie

Palestinians people are still one, Gaza and West Bank. Alot of refugees (maybe more than 1 million) in Gaza are coming from West Bank precisely.
How would you react if 1/ your grandfather was deported into gaza 2/ your parents had a very hard life in gaza prison 3/ everything is getting bombed and now you have to move to the southern gaza 4/ southern gaza is now bombed too.
HORRIBLE.



I don't think the second paragraph was necessary.
First paragraph I can agree that It may not have been that much planned since the very beginning, but it still clearly reflects the constant goal of systematically eliminating Palestinians (and stealing lands) using this "VICIOUS CIRCLE" like the UN Secretary-General said ( 'It's time to end this vicious circle of bloodshed')

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Dec 7 2023 09:59am

What you think doesnt matter.

The vicious circle is Arabs attacking Jews

This post was edited by Many_Names on Dec 7 2023 10:01am

sometimes when you respond its like you didnt read what i posted.

Sorry I didn't want to hurt your feelings. I can admit that Hamas has not being completely fuelled by Israel for sure, but more likely "well helped/favorized" when it was necessary to implement and even securize the "VICIOUS CIRCLE" I was talking about.

With the repost with the correction you didnt quote:

" I can agree that It may not have been that much planned since the very beginning, but it still clearly reflects the constant goal of systematically eliminating Palestinians (and stealing lands) using this "VICIOUS CIRCLE" like the UN Secretary-General said ( 'It's time to end this vicious circle of bloodshed') "

And i will continue on what he said:

"Israel must see its legitimate needs for security materialized and Palestinians must see a clear perspective for the establishment of their own State realized."
Yeah in bold, Israeli NEVER allowed them to see it.

The vicious cycle is all over the middle east this is how primitive desert cultures live they fight for resources.
I suggest you read about land ״stealing״ when fighting a war that was forced uppon you

This post was edited by Many_Names on Dec 7 2023 10:26am

Yeah ? My answer to the second part of your post is just above: maintaining the violence (and blatantly contributing dislocating the real PLO to Islamists)
U.S didn't annex 70% of Afghanistan while deporting their population.