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“We would like to warn readers to resist the temptation to draw conclusions that suit their ideological worldviews,” Saribay told PsyPost. “One must not think in terms of profiles or categories of people and also not draw simple causal conclusions as our data do not speak to causality.
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Note that these relations are not so clear cut and effect sizes are small.”


I would assume that even these tiny effect sizes are caused in large part by confounders rather than actual causality. On average, low intelligence people tend to come from different families and upbringings, spend their forming years in differernt social circles, go to different schools and so on than people of higher intelligence. Do we have data on the degree to which social policy views are caused by "nurture vs nature"?

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I would assume that even these tiny effect sizes are caused in large part by confounders rather than actual causality. On average, low intelligence people tend to come from different families and upbringings, spend their forming years in differernt social circles, go to different schools and so on than people of higher intelligence. Do we have data on the degree to which social policy views are caused by "nurture vs nature"?


As much as I'd love to rail about this headline, I have to repeat, psychometrics in general is garbage.
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As much as I'd love to rail about this headline, I have to repeat, psychometrics in general is garbage.


Really? Why?

Also, if you think it's garbage, what would be good, reliable measures, then?
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I would assume that even these tiny effect sizes are caused in large part by confounders rather than actual causality. On average, low intelligence people tend to come from different families and upbringings, spend their forming years in differernt social circles, go to different schools and so on than people of higher intelligence. Do we have data on the degree to which social policy views are caused by "nurture vs nature"?



So I know my experience is very stereotypical. In communist WA 😁
The city is full of highly educated motivated social nazis.
You get into the back woods and you might as well live in rural Alabama. There are always exceptions. But the vast majorities of both sides of this are so black and white. Most of small town Americans in my state don’t have teeth a HS education or a desire to have either. As long as the truck has a flag on it and a 2” lift minimum the rest of the world is “Stalin” and you couldn’t teach them otherwise if you paid them.
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So I know my experience is very stereotypical. In communist WA 😁
The city is full of highly educated motivated social nazis.
You get into the back woods and you might as well live in rural Alabama. There are always exceptions. But the vast majorities of both sides of this are so black and white. Most of small town Americans in my state don’t have teeth a HS education or a desire to have either. As long as the truck has a flag on it and a 2” lift minimum the rest of the world is “Stalin” and you couldn’t teach them otherwise if you paid them.


That's what you get after a couple of generations when a country operates by a turbo-capitalist "get rich or die trying"-mantra and the "winners" and "losers" stop socially mixing. The literal "middle class", not just in an economic sense but also in terms of education and cultural values, has been evaporating for decades. This tendency was kept in check until roughly the 1960s or so by comparatively high rates of hypergamy, but since then, assortative mating by class/education has become far more prevalent and the predominant mating strategy. I'm not judging this trend, it is what it is.


Inb4 EndlessSky telling us that allowing women to leave the kitchen and go to college was a mistake and has ruined society. ;)
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That's what you get after a couple of generations when a country operates by a turbo-capitalist "get rich or die trying"-mantra and the "winners" and "losers" stop socially mixing. The literal "middle class", not just in an economic sense but also in terms of education and cultural values, has been evaporating for decades. This tendency was kept in check until roughly the 1960s or so by comparatively high rates of hypergamy, but since then, assortative mating by class/education has become far more prevalent and the predominant mating strategy. I'm not judging this trend, it is what it is.


Inb4 EndlessSky telling us that allowing women to leave the kitchen and go to college was a mistake and has ruined society. ;)



Agreed my life perspective on this is so crazy. I will walk a job with multi million dollar designers, That are afraid of ipeople with dirt on them. To the brick mason who wants to stab me over the Co mask mandates because I’m obviously a communist. In the span of 40 minutes. And neither side will listen to 5 seconds of the other. It’s truly hard to fathom sometimes
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So much diversity, so much tolerance! :wub: :love:
Remove toxic, racist white men from the equation and we can all live in a peaceful, multicultural utopia.

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