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Apr 7 2016 01:41am
Quote (Voyaging @ 7 Apr 2016 10:35)
LOL

But yeah I think the best attitude to have is compassion and empathy, just like it is for everything else. We can recognize it as a problem and try to solve it without being cruel, instead being kind and understanding. That's how we should act all the time in every situation.


no, we should make whale oil replacements out of them
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Apr 7 2016 04:25am
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we encourage people to kick most addictions already with the exception of addiction to food where anything short of accepting their excuses and coddling them is seen as shaming


How does one quit eating and survive?
We expect people to quit drugs, not take small amounts indefinitely.

Also, different quality of addiction. Having your CNS go crazy after opiate discontinuation is different than being addicted to bon bons.
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Apr 7 2016 06:38am
https://www.yahoo.com/style/amy-schumer-joins-movement-against-200241304.html

Amy Shumer joins the movement to stop the use of the term "plus size", because "we are so done with these labels".

Here's a thought, not all clothes look the same on women of all sizes, I'm a man and i know this. Some shirts specifically work to make big girls look better. The term plus size isn't always limiting, its in fact helpful for some.

And this ignores the fact that by "banning" certain phrases you just empower them. "Retard" & "fag" will now be joined by "plus size". So in an attempt to rid themselves of a label on a magazine cover these famous women condemn a generation of women with a new label, they themselves will be called Plus size by trolls for the next decade. You can't stand up and say "dont call me this!"

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Apr 7 2016 08:05am
Quote (duffman316 @ 20 Mar 2016 19:24)
i don't watch a whole lot of tv but knowing that this exists and keeps getting renewed for more seasons makes me wonder where society is headed :mellow:

i remember from my one sociology class that we make special accommodations for sick people with the explicit requirement that they want to get better and will make an effort to get better - and this is generally how i view obesity, it's fine to be obese so long as you're making a concious effort to get healthier

but it seems like morbidly obese people just keep making excuses (medical conditions that defy physics) and it's considered impolite to call them out on it these days

i'd like to think shame has a healthy function in society and we ought to shame family members who let themselves go like this


well you could start to shame doumb people and see where that leads. You could shame smokers for smoking and drug addicts for taking drugs.
I think that is a phantastic idea to achieve actually nothing at all
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Apr 7 2016 08:27am
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How does one quit eating and survive?
We expect people to quit drugs, not take small amounts indefinitely.

Also, different quality of addiction. Having your CNS go crazy after opiate discontinuation is different than being addicted to bon bons.



Here's a guy who ate nothing for over a year. He basically drank water and ate vitamins.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2012/07/24/3549931.htm

I wouldn't recommend it ever, you could probably die, but he did it.

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https://www.yahoo.com/style/amy-schumer-joins-movement-against-200241304.html

Amy Shumer joins the movement to stop the use of the term "plus size", because "we are so done with these labels".

Here's a thought, not all clothes look the same on women of all sizes, I'm a man and i know this. Some shirts specifically work to make big girls look better. The term plus size isn't always limiting, its in fact helpful for some.

And this ignores the fact that by "banning" certain phrases you just empower them. "Retard" & "fag" will now be joined by "plus size". So in an attempt to rid themselves of a label on a magazine cover these famous women condemn a generation of women with a new label, they themselves will be called Plus size by trolls for the next decade. You can't stand up and say "dont call me this!"


She can ban labels all she wants, nobody can ban the thirst.


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Here's a guy who ate nothing for over a year. He basically drank water and ate vitamins.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2012/07/24/3549931.htm

I wouldn't recommend it ever, you could probably die, but he did it.


Eating sleep for dinner is really effective in losing weight.
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Apr 7 2016 08:32am
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well you could start to shame doumb people and see where that leads. You could shame smokers for smoking and drug addicts for taking drugs.
I think that is a phantastic idea to achieve actually nothing at all


As someone who quit smoking out of shame ill go ahead and say, Fuck that. Shame works wonders on certain people in certain applications, there is just an issue of making it the norm for everyone. Shaming people for being dumb is a bad comparison though, as environmental factors and even genetics play a role. And in the same way no one shames those who have legitimate health reasons to be fat, the issue is when someone claims their disorder which should add 10-20 pounds to their weight is the cause of them being 200 lbs overweight. The issue is when someone apologizes their addiction by claiming their families have a predisposition to addiction, which could surely apologize away something like smoking tobacco or an inability to quit tobacco but not an addiction to Crack or Heroin. Also Fantastic is spelled with an F.
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Apr 7 2016 08:33am
Quote (general_patton @ Apr 7 2016 09:27am)
Here's a guy who ate nothing for over a year. He basically drank water and ate vitamins.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2012/07/24/3549931.htm

I wouldn't recommend it ever, you could probably die, but he did it.



She can ban labels all she wants, nobody can ban the thirst.


Lol suicide diet. Very expensive pee though. He was probably doing coke or amphetamines to stave off the hunger. No way he could just not eat that long otherwise, I simply do not believe everything I read. I see the scientific rationale, but like you said, data can prove anything.
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Apr 7 2016 09:17am
Until the U.S. adopts a single payer system, I'd love it it people were healthier, so the cost of healthcare would go down. Obviously with a single payer system we would still benefit from a healthier population, but at least there would be less stress and financial hardships on a lot of people.

The literal use of shaming will most likely not have lasting effects.

Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Mar 20 2016 12:47pm)
...not only did you totally miss the sarcasm but you went on to blame misinformation for what is clearly an emotional disorder .

I think the way certain products are labeled is largely to blame, which causes misinformation, and aids the emotional disorder. Some people see anything with diet, all natural, organic, gluten free, lean, and/or low calories and instantly think it's healthy. They see whole grain and think eating a lot of it is good. They don't know about the preservatives/sodium in frozen meals and canned food, so they're buying "healthy" choice. They think it's good to drink a bunch of juice and milk. They think it's good to eat a bunch of granola and yogurt. There's no daily value % of sugar on the nutritional facts label due to lobbying preventing the negative information.

Labels aside, regarding misinformation in general, they hear eating a bunch of small meals throughout the day is supposedly good for their metabolism, so they end up snacking all day, but still eat their regular meals. They don't understand portion control, so they might be eating a salad or fruit, but end up eating a massive salad or lots of fruit. There's also a lot of misconceptions about juicing and smoothies. People still make dietary changes that can't be realistically maintained. People think all calories are the same, so it's simply a checks and balances issue.

Regarding shaming, I understand the usage of the word moreso as having an abbrasive conversation. People often misconstrue critiquing as flaming. Someone might feel shameful no matter how the subject is brought up.

Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 20 2016 01:37pm)
cancer isn't a mental disease you can will away. Obesity and addiction are both mental and physical.
Getting your ass off a sofa, going outside and eating less fried foods is all it takes to solve 75% of the health problems in america today

Lack of funds and lack of time due to responsibilities can compound into depression. I imagine it's a hard cycle to break free of.

Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 20 2016 01:55pm)
1) A bunch of SJWs get together and try to create a 'fat acceptance movement' to say everyone who shames fat people is evil and we should have plus sized models and treat fatness as perfectly normal
2) Average, sane people call this nuts and unhealthy and ridiculous
3) The bleeding hearts nutters get to attack the sane people and call them smug dicks who should check their privilege

Fat people shouldn't be hidden away and not participating in the public sphere, they should be exposed and shamed for their body until they change it. Letting them hide away in a corner and hold hands and post on BBW forums while downing tubs of icecream is unproductive. But going the opposite direction and trying to corrupt the ideals of human body image and sexuality? Its as insidious and destructive as it is hopelessly impotent, fortunately. This is the kind of issue where I'm thankful for a base biological impulse driving human psychology, because at least when the fatties try their demented shenanigans, it will be unsuccessful.

Fat people should job and eat better. I do it, most of the world does it. I'm going to call them out on their decadence

I'm only on the 7th page of 73 pages, so I'm not sure if it's been touched on yet, but I haven't seen any stipulation between age differences. I'm very anti-bullying when it comes to kids. I suppose the parents are largely to blame, so your shaming method should go directly towards them, right? There definitely needs to be at least some white lie filter if the conversation is being made with a child.

Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 20 2016 02:00pm)
its human nature to seek healthier mates and idolize the fit, indeed its mammal nature to play competitive games for the purpose of self improvement
Do you want to quibble over the healthiness of wide hips? Obesity is not healthy, and disgusts us by nature. This is not a learned cultural trait

Culture plays a massive role on what we find attractive. There are cultures that don't sexualize breasts, prefer big women and shame skinny women, and/or prefer all sorts of body modifications. Have you heard of gavage? Did you know Audrey Hepburn was considered too skiny at the time?

Quote (thundercock @ Mar 20 2016 02:06pm)
Why don't we have the healthy people pay for the healthcare of the unhealthy people? Shouldn't they pay their fair share?

That's obviously not a simple question. It's obvious you don't consider healthcare a human right.

...alrighty, the conversations seems to have turned into a child disciplining conversation, so I think 12 pages is enough.
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Apr 7 2016 09:19am
Quote (ericswanson_19 @ Apr 7 2016 10:17am)
Lack of funds and lack of time due to responsibilities can compound into depression. I imagine it's a hard cycle to break free of.


I always hear the "time" thing as an argument for why people are fat pieces of shit. I don't know a single obese person lacking atleast 1 hour of free time a day. If anything, I think the free hour+ they have is part of the problem.
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