Until the U.S. adopts a single payer system, I'd love it it people were healthier, so the cost of healthcare would go down. Obviously with a single payer system we would still benefit from a healthier population, but at least there would be less stress and financial hardships on a lot of people.
The literal use of
shaming will most likely not have lasting effects.
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...not only did you totally miss the sarcasm but you went on to blame misinformation for what is clearly an emotional disorder .
I think the way certain products are labeled is largely to blame, which causes misinformation, and aids the emotional disorder. Some people see anything with
diet, all natural, organic, gluten free, lean, and/or
low calories and instantly think it's healthy. They see
whole grain and think eating a lot of it is good. They don't know about the preservatives/sodium in frozen meals and canned food, so they're buying "healthy" choice. They think it's good to drink a bunch of juice and milk. They think it's good to eat a bunch of granola and yogurt. There's no daily value % of sugar on the nutritional facts label due to lobbying preventing the
negative information.
Labels aside, regarding misinformation in general, they hear eating a bunch of small meals throughout the day is supposedly good for their metabolism, so they end up snacking all day, but still eat their regular meals. They don't understand portion control, so they might be eating a salad or fruit, but end up eating a massive salad or lots of fruit. There's also a lot of misconceptions about juicing and smoothies. People still make dietary changes that can't be realistically maintained. People think all calories are the same, so it's simply a checks and balances issue.
Regarding
shaming, I understand the usage of the word moreso as having an abbrasive conversation. People often misconstrue
critiquing as
flaming. Someone might feel shameful no matter how the subject is brought up.
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cancer isn't a mental disease you can will away. Obesity and addiction are both mental and physical.
Getting your ass off a sofa, going outside and eating less fried foods is all it takes to solve 75% of the health problems in america today
Lack of funds and lack of time due to responsibilities can compound into depression. I imagine it's a hard cycle to break free of.
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1) A bunch of SJWs get together and try to create a 'fat acceptance movement' to say everyone who shames fat people is evil and we should have plus sized models and treat fatness as perfectly normal
2) Average, sane people call this nuts and unhealthy and ridiculous
3) The bleeding hearts nutters get to attack the sane people and call them smug dicks who should check their privilege
Fat people shouldn't be hidden away and not participating in the public sphere, they should be exposed and shamed for their body until they change it. Letting them hide away in a corner and hold hands and post on BBW forums while downing tubs of icecream is unproductive. But going the opposite direction and trying to corrupt the ideals of human body image and sexuality? Its as insidious and destructive as it is hopelessly impotent, fortunately. This is the kind of issue where I'm thankful for a base biological impulse driving human psychology, because at least when the fatties try their demented shenanigans, it will be unsuccessful.
Fat people should job and eat better. I do it, most of the world does it. I'm going to call them out on their decadence
I'm only on the 7th page of 73 pages, so I'm not sure if it's been touched on yet, but I haven't seen any stipulation between age differences. I'm very anti-bullying when it comes to kids. I suppose the parents are largely to blame, so your shaming method should go directly towards them, right? There definitely needs to be at least some white lie filter if the conversation is being made with a child.
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its human nature to seek healthier mates and idolize the fit, indeed its mammal nature to play competitive games for the purpose of self improvement
Do you want to quibble over the healthiness of wide hips? Obesity is not healthy, and disgusts us by nature. This is not a learned cultural trait
Culture plays a massive role on what we find attractive. There are cultures that don't sexualize breasts, prefer big women and shame skinny women, and/or prefer all sorts of body modifications. Have you heard of gavage? Did you know Audrey Hepburn was considered
too skiny at the time?
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Why don't we have the healthy people pay for the healthcare of the unhealthy people? Shouldn't they pay their fair share?
That's obviously not a simple question. It's obvious you don't consider healthcare a human right.
...alrighty, the conversations seems to have turned into a child disciplining conversation, so I think 12 pages is enough.