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Dec 6 2023 12:54pm
Quote (Bazi @ Dec 6 2023 12:49pm)
Yeah, I understand your perspective and stance, and it is logical. However, there are many that only can see absolutes and my comment was mainly aimed to that mindset


for sure, i just hate the "israel bombed the other places with no notice so that means literally no where is any more safe than any other place". we're talking large scale macro management, there are of course far more safe places, and objectively extremely unsafe places. and that type of no-nuance mentality leads people to lump in regular citizens of gaza city with hospital workers that can't leave.

overall, as someone who is against israel in this war for a lot of specific reasons, its annoying to me to see no-context anti israel shitposting. it muddies the waters when idiot ideologues spew nonspecific half truths or worse outright inaccuracies. you cant get israel to change from a reasoned place with there's so much white noise complaining from NPC idiots. pard doesnt bother me, it wont change anything anyways, but we're a good sample microcosm of twitter and the world at large.

Quote (JessiWan @ Dec 6 2023 12:53pm)
None of this would have happened if Israelis didn't forcibly settle themselves in that region.


britain forcibly settles jews into the region britain was in control of. to be accurate.

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Dec 6 2023 12:57pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 6 2023 10:54am)

britain forcibly settles jews into the region britain was in control of. to be accurate.


Britain played a part, yes, but Jews themselves went willingly. They had wanted a nation of their own for a long time.
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Dec 6 2023 12:58pm
Quote (JessiWan @ Dec 6 2023 10:53am)
None of this would have happened if Israelis didn't forcibly settle themselves in that region.


You mean if the Muslims didn't forcibly settle themselves there? Israelis are indigenous to the land.

Either way it's irrelevant. The Gazans can surrender or die like every enemy belligerent before them. The choice is simple

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Quote (JessiWan @ Dec 6 2023 06:53pm)
None of this would have happened if Israelis didn't forcibly settle themselves in that region.


Its inconsequential. They are there now, and they are not going anywhere.
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Dec 6 2023 01:00pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 6 2023 12:54pm)
for sure, i just hate the "israel bombed the other places with no notice so that means literally no where is any more safe than any other place". we're talking large scale macro management, there are of course far more safe places, and objectively extremely unsafe places. and that type of no-nuance mentality leads people to lump in regular citizens of gaza city with hospital workers that can't leave.

overall, as someone who is against israel in this war for a lot of specific reasons, its annoying to me to see no-context anti israel shitposting. it muddies the waters when idiot ideologues spew nonspecific half truths or worse outright inaccuracies. you cant get israel to change from a reasoned place with there's so much white noise complaining from NPC idiots. pard doesnt bother me, it wont change anything anyways, but we're a good sample microcosm of twitter and the world at large.



britain forcibly settles jews into the region britain was in control of. to be accurate.


Sadly, 90% of the shit here is no nuance ideologue :zzz:

There is no doubt that Israel can do worse and has shown restraint
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Dec 6 2023 01:01pm
Quote (El1te @ Dec 6 2023 10:58am)
You mean if the Muslims didn't forcibly settle themselves there? Israelis are indigenous to the land.


From the vantage point of people who had been living there when Jews came, Jews were invaders.

It's not constructive to talk about who is the rightful owner of that land because so many peoples have lived there.
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Dec 6 2023 10:58am)
Its inconsequential. They are there now, and they are not going anywhere.


And Palestinians aren't going anywhere, either. So I guess there will be endless bloodshed in the region.
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Dec 6 2023 01:03pm
Quote (JessiWan @ Dec 6 2023 01:01pm)
From the vantage point of people who had been living there when Jews came, Jews were invaders.

It's not constructive to talk about who is the rightful owner of that land because so many peoples have lived there.


and from those people's vantage point jews are savages who must be wiped from the earth. its so great we listen to their ideas of what should be done, isnt it?

Quote (JessiWan @ Dec 6 2023 01:02pm)
And Palestinians aren't going anywhere, either. So I guess there will be endless bloodshed in the region.


gaza would already be a country if they didnt fight israel lmao

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Quote (El1te @ Dec 6 2023 10:58am)
You mean if the Muslims didn't forcibly settle themselves there? Israelis are indigenous to the land.

Either way it's irrelevant. The Gazans can surrender or die like every enemy belligerent before them. The choice is simple


Why do Gazans have to yield? Why can't Israelis yield?
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Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 6 2023 11:03am)
and from those people's vantage point jews are savages who must be wiped from the earth. its so great we listen to their ideas of what should be done, isnt it?



I didn't say we should listen to them. I am just saying that Israelis do not have the moral high ground here. Something that the pro-Israel crowd in this thread fails to see.
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