Quote (Bazi @ Dec 6 2023 10:52am)
I think a point that is consistently missed is it’s not as easy to just clear out and move as you are making it out to be. It’s not like journalists are wanting to die and you have what >50 dead journalists since this recent conflict? It’s a historically high number. This is akin to real life mushroom mix up from n64 Mario party lol
Quote (ferdia @ Dec 6 2023 11:01am)
its not revisionist history, it is Israel moving the goalposts. to reiterate: If you tell a large population to move, and move south, the idea is they are now out of harms way once moved. it is not revisionist to cry foul when the south is then bombed, I would contest that it is rather a fair question to ask at this point as to what is israels plan / goals.
what is your definition of a foreign journalist ?
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its not easy at all, and ive never tried to make it out to be easy or a fun thing. but its literally that or die for people who live in the north of gaza. but there's nuance, because i read people all day saying "there is no escape!" when in reality it was literally a 20 min walk to escape the first mandated evacuation zone, where 95%+ of the bombing in phase 1 took place.
im not a sith lord so i dont speak in absolutes, obviously israel has bombed outside of the mandated evacuation zones, but a VERY high % are dropped in those zones. that's pretty astounding in a war, unheard of really.
so we're not talking about a cruel oppressors with no value for human life, we're talking about a cruel game of hot potato where you're constantly displaced in an attempt to stay safe, likely malnourished and running short on water intake as this happens. thats why i disagree with it, entirely in context being as fair to israel as you can factually be, they're still shitty. but people in the first 50 pages of this thread claiming its hopeless to evacuate gaza? gross imo. that mentality could be responsible for tens of thousands of lives, why bother mentality could fill a stadium with corpses. some lower % may have still died on the road, or in camps, or from hamas, or from IDF ground forces, or thirst. but they wouldnt be kids pulled from a pile of gaza city rubble. hospital workers and patients couldnt leave, elderly people or handicapped people sure. but middle aged parents with kids, if they stayed there that was a dire mistake. their either foolish or willing martyrs. israel doesnt give bomb warnings without follow through, they're not north korea.