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Oct 29 2021 03:08am
Quote (thundercock @ 29 Oct 2021 10:43)
How many billionaires do you think there are in America? :rofl: You're living in a fantasy, as usual.


If you think this approach of taxing unrealized asset gains would stay limited to billionaires once it has been implemented and normalized, it is you who's living in a fantasy.
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Oct 29 2021 03:18am
the feds debunked themselves by spreading the tax the rich narrative, but then proposing to track all bank accounts over 600 dollars

its not a contradiction, they are telling the middle class that 600 bucks will make you rich when they are done with you ^_^


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Oct 29 2021 03:32am
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If you think this approach of taxing unrealized asset gains would stay limited to billionaires once it has been implemented and normalized, it is you who's living in a fantasy.


Because of certain loopholes it is increasingly becoming a necessity.

Those gains are realized when you take a loan against it and use that to live the billionaire lifestyle
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Oct 29 2021 03:52am
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 29 Oct 2021 11:18)
the feds debunked themselves by spreading the tax the rich narrative, but then proposing to track all bank accounts over 600 dollars

its not a contradiction, they are telling the middle class that 600 bucks will make you rich when they are done with you ^_^


"You will own nothing and you will be happy" ^_^



Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 29 Oct 2021 11:32)
Because of certain loopholes it is increasingly becoming a necessity.

Those gains are realized when you take a loan against it and use that to live the billionaire lifestyle


There has to be a solution that does not create the slipperiest of slippery slopes. Creating a taxation scheme that can raise huge amounts of money for the government to spend, and then trusting the political left to not try to expand the circle of affected persons over time - that's like tasking the fox with protecting the henhouse.
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Oct 29 2021 04:24am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Oct 29 2021 11:32am)
Because of certain loopholes it is increasingly becoming a necessity.

Those gains are realized when you take a loan against it and use that to live the billionaire lifestyle


so what, the assets people borrow against have been paid for by income that has been taxed already and things like real estate are still creating revenue for the state, property tax etc

this stupid idea is attacking the very concept of personal property itself, which is the intent btw

its not a loophole when people work hard for assets and then use them
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Biden Administration Could Pay Illegal Immigrant Families Separated at Border $450,000 Per Person in Settlements


Wow, getting paid to cross border illegally
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Oct 29 2021 08:08am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 29 Oct 2021 04:28)
I'd love this obviously batshit insane idea to be realized for just a couple of months before the courts strike it down. How many upscale white suburbanite swing voters were there whose thought process ahead of the 2020 election was something along the lines of:

"I might not agree with every single policy of the Democrats, but at least they're not crazy like Trump - I want the adults in the room to be in charge again and make sensible policy, also, the GOP rhetoric about the Democrats having become far-left crazies is just fearmongering - Biden is a super moderate, he would never pursue anything like that"

I'd just love to see their faces when the tax bill for the future, unrealized gains of their McMansion comes in. :rofl:


precisely. the 81+ million who 100% unequivocally support this see in the headlines “tax billionaires on unrealized capital gains” and say this is great not realizing once it doesn’t ‘produce enough revenue’ that a couple small lines on page 2838 of the 3500 page tax bill (or whatever) has provisions to change the terms and conditions of capital to be every asset above what the “average person” has

Quote (thundercock @ 29 Oct 2021 04:43)
How many billionaires do you think there are in America? :rofl: You're living in a fantasy, as usual.



That's like saying 100% of Republicans support hanging Mike Pence which is preposterous of course. Having said that, the people who voted for Biden (myself included) have to take responsibility for whatever crazy ideas the Democrats implement. My hope is that I don't have to ally with these clowns for too long.

that wasn’t on the Trump/Pence ticket when they ran in 2016 or 2020. Nor did Trump say this ever

massive overhaul (see: increases) of the tax system to “fix” parameters such as ‘climate change’ and ‘stock unrealized gains inequality’ were on the (D) ticket. in fact other than ‘shutting down covid’ (failed) this was a primary goal of the (D) ticket. 81+ million people said they were fine with this as long as trump would not be the one doing the signing into law

we all know that any new tax with a ceiling can and will eventually have that ceiling lowered
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Oct 29 2021 11:38am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Oct 29 2021 05:32am)
Because of certain loopholes it is increasingly becoming a necessity.

Those gains are realized when you take a loan against it and use that to live the billionaire lifestyle


That isn't a loophole, it's how tax law is intended to work. What Wyden is proposing is a wealth tax, not an income tax, and would certainly be struck in court.
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Oct 29 2021 11:50am
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That isn't a loophole, it's how tax law is intended to work. What Wyden is proposing is a wealth tax, not an income tax, and would certainly be struck in court.

under what? the individual mandate is constitutional as per roberts. he will be supported by kavanaugh, who will say while this tax is unconstitutional it is temporary because people eventually die, and it would do more harm than good to strike it down
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Oct 29 2021 12:03pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Oct 29 2021 12:38pm)
That isn't a loophole, it's how tax law is intended to work. What Wyden is proposing is a wealth tax, not an income tax, and would certainly be struck in court.


Of course its how its intended to work. Billionaires have basically written the tax code lol.

They keep loopholes like being able to take low interest loans against stock to effectively cash out tax free for a reason.
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