.... and he was still constantly accused of sexism and racism by the media. Which goes to show that a conservative candidate should never fight this battle over messaging on their terms.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 1 2020 09:58am

This might be true, I don't know. Since I've been following politics closely, right-wingers are so dishonest about their characterization of media criticism that it might just be another silly talking point. Or maybe some pundits on MSNBC went with it, while more serious anchors avoided it.

Either way, bringing up supposed unfair criticism of Romney doesn't suddenly mean Trump is not worthy of criticism in these areas.

Of course not, but it has big implications for how a candidate should deal this type of media accusations. It would be pointless for Trump to try to argue that he's not sexist/racist, since doing so would not stop these attacks anyway.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 1 2020 10:33am

The 20 odd affairs make it hard to avoid the sexist rhetoric

Agree nothing he can say will change any perception so no point for him to address it

This post was edited by Bazi on Oct 1 2020 10:39am

How an issue is framed can have a significant impact on how it's viewed by the general public. Take Robin DiAngelo's "White Fragility". It is objectively an unscientific and racist text. But when presented as a harmless HR course (which many of us are familiar with), HR-conscious executives are often happy to sign off, knowing little about the course, and thus legitimize an otherwise extreme text. Media and journalism are left-wing professions. Are there conservative, libertarian, alt-right journalists? Of course, but those ideological positions are severely underrepresented. As a result of this, there is inevitable bias even in best case circumstances where the journalist attempts to remain neutral. The bias is inherent to how the issue is being framed and discussed, which facts are included, and how those facts are interpreted. It is a losing proposition to fight these battles head on. The frame through which the conversation takes place must change.

Trump understood better than any of his 2016 Republican challengers the lessons of Romney's failed 2012 campaign. The media largely frames issues from a left-wing perspective. The American right's role, from that perspective, is only as the loyal opposition, sheepishly apologizing and downplaying their obvious racism, sexism, and wealth privilege as the country moves inexorably to the left. On immigration, it is ok to say "we need tighter border controls", but only if followed by exhortations that the candidate actually wants more immigrants, preferably in Spanish, and only so long as questions about the quality of the immigrants themselves and their impact on culture are verboten. Even then, there will be plenty of snide commentary implying that the conservative candidate is merely a racist bent on creating misery in the 3rd world. And the conservative will spend a significant amount of time, as Romney did, debating the honesty of their motives, and not the cost / benefit of their position to the country. And because they cannot address the elephant in the room, their motives are in fact are dishonest, because they are concerned (and it is ok to be concerned) that the influx of immigration has long-term ramifications on the financial, cultural, and social health of the country. This dishonesty is apparent to everyone, and it subsequently gets picked apart by the media.

Trump approached immigration from an American perspective. He addressed the elephant in the room; Is enormous and largely uncontrolled illegal immigration a net benefit to the American people? He was unconcerned with, and even went so far as to embrace, allegations that he was a racist. As a result, he energized conservative voters, tired of feeling ashamed, as well as blue-collar, working class, and other non-traditional Republican demographics who felt disillusioned with a right that was only concerned about money, and a left that was hyper-focused on replacing them with docile, loyal blue-voting minorities ("If you don't vote for me, you ain't black"). Trump is therefore a revolutionary figure in American politics. He has single-handedly expanded the realm of thought that is open to public debate. That is fundamentally a good thing. Unfortunately, his bad impulses are almost as great as his good ones, and his inability to express the good (adequately) outside of his base leaves him far too open to criticism, as we've seen. But the answer is not to retreat back into the Plato's metaphorical cave, but to advance more persuasive, competent voices who are better able to take up that mantle and move American politics in a more productive direction.

This post was edited by bogie160 on Oct 1 2020 02:48pm

astute post. and “white fragility” is some buzzword theory made up by pale pasty privileged lefties (just like “white privilege”) for them to make money off of the concept that they’re better than everyone else due to their skin color

Incredible double-think.




I beat white people over the add like everyone else and they take it fine.

This post was edited by Skinned on Oct 1 2020 03:21pm

Steve Scully, the designated moderator for the 2nd presidential debate between Trump and Biden, has been an intern for then-Senator Biden when he was in college, later worked as a staff assistant in Ted Kennedy's communications office, and in 2016 retweeted a nytimes article/headline titled "No, not Trump. Not ever. - Voters deserve respect, but his year, their candidate does not."

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/18/opinion/no-not-trump-not-ever.html
https://mobile.twitter.com/SteveScully/status/710943428314419201


I expect a perfectly fair and 100% impartial moderation.


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Fantastic post, couldnt have said it any better!

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 1 2020 03:23pm

I know you all can do some wierd stuff but how do you beat someone over their add condition?

I mean, he is literally known as the most patient man in the world.