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funny thing is if he 100% and firmly disavowed all white racism and nationalism they'd still vote for him en masse and say "well he had to say that". his inability to disavow firmly has always perplexed me, its a gaffe he doesnt need to make.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 30 Sep 2020 23:57)
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glad you FINALLY admit it. was obvious for long enough...

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funny thing is if he 100% and firmly disavowed all white racism and nationalism they'd still vote for him en masse and say "well he had to say that". his inability to disavow firmly has always perplexed me, its a gaffe he doesnt need to make.


I honestly think this is more of a contrarian reflex for Trump than a thoroughly calculated tradeoff ("how much support from white supremacists would I lose if I say that, relative to how much support I could gain from the middle").

When he feels that the press or the Democrats want to force him to play along with their script and say a standard phrase because they think it's important that he does that, then his instinct is to resist them. I think he instinctively refuses to cooperate in situations like these and tries to win back control, to get into a dominant position where he can be the one who sets the terms of the debate.


In a lot of other situations, those instincts serve him very well, but not when refusing to say the thing he's supposed to say is a huge violation of a widely agreed upon norm.

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I honestly think this is more of a contrarian reflex for Trump than a thoroughly calculated tradeoff ("how much support from white supremacists would I lose if I say that, relative to how much support I could gain from the middle").

When he feels that the press or the Democrats want to force him to play along with their script and say a standard phrase because they think it's important that he does that, then his instinct is to resist them. I think he instinctively refuses to cooperate in situations like these and tries to win back control, to get into a dominant position where he can be the one who sets the terms of the debate.


In a lot of other situations, those instincts serve him very well, but not when refusing to say the thing he's supposed to say is a huge violation of a widely agreed upon norm.


that is 100% it. if only they told the child not to eat their vegetables the plate would be clean.

and if it were 1 of many topics it wouldnt be so bad. people that love him love when he doesnt play along. but still there's a line and he doesnt seem able to feel where that line is.

and stupidly while challenging Biden to disavow ANTIFA, which he then does along with any violence, and gets an easy win over Trump. "i bet u wont do it Joe" turns into "oh wow u just lost the left".... lol sure he did....
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I honestly think this is more of a contrarian reflex for Trump than a thoroughly calculated tradeoff ("how much support from white supremacists would I lose if I say that, relative to how much support I could gain from the middle").

When he feels that the press or the Democrats want to force him to play along with their script and say a standard phrase because they think it's important that he does that, then his instinct is to resist them. I think he instinctively refuses to cooperate in situations like these and tries to win back control, to get into a dominant position where he can be the one who sets the terms of the debate.


In a lot of other situations, those instincts serve him very well, but not when refusing to say the thing he's supposed to say is a huge violation of a widely agreed upon norm.


His instincts are correct, but he frames it poorly.

Disavow white supremacy generally, albeit in a dismissive manner, and then attack the question, which is loaded. He needs to make the question appear ridiculous, and then pivot to widespread left-wing political violence.
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His instincts are correct, but he frames it poorly.

Disavow white supremacy generally, albeit in a dismissive manner, and then attack the question, which is loaded. He needs to make the question appear ridiculous, and then pivot to widespread left-wing political violence.


Yes, that's one of the occasions where his lack of traditional politician-skills is really noticeable.
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