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Jan 13 2020 06:01am
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Perhaps you can help me. Who decides what international law is or isn't? Who enforces it? When we say "that's against the law", it's always an appeal to a higher authority who enforces a social contract or mutual agreement. Who is the higher authority here?

Germany took a moral stance that cost them nothing and meant nothing. Crimea is still part of Russia today. The gas is still flowing west. It's easy to moralize when your country sits protected as it has been for the last 75 years.


you notice how your narrative is shifting from 'we're in the right doing what we're doing' to 'we do it because we can, and no one can enforce international law on us'? exactly like i predicted so many pages ago - it inevitably happens when imperialists begin to realise what they are doing is actually pretty terrible.

'cost them nothing' is an evaluation based on ignorance - and it's irrelevant anyway because your original claim was that germany wouldn't "address russian aggression" - which i debunked with just a couple of examples. thanks for playing, kid.
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Jan 13 2020 10:27am
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/i-am-livid-maple-leaf-foods-ceo-spouts-off-against-us-over-iran-crash-032943031.html

another out of touch pale pasty privileged lefty idiot blaming the USA for Iran using deadly force on a commercial airplane. definitely the type of sociopath racist that would support a multiple-time blackface wearing prime minister. looks like the kind of person who kicks puppies and kittens for 'stress relief' in his spare time..sick person that one
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Jan 14 2020 09:57am
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you notice how your narrative is shifting from 'we're in the right doing what we're doing' to 'we do it because we can, and no one can enforce international law on us'? exactly like i predicted so many pages ago - it inevitably happens when imperialists begin to realise what they are doing is actually pretty terrible.

'cost them nothing' is an evaluation based on ignorance - and it's irrelevant anyway because your original claim was that germany wouldn't "address russian aggression" - which i debunked with just a couple of examples. thanks for playing, kid.



You are making a specific argument that what the United States is doing is "illegal". I want you to demonstrate that you've thought through the logical implications of that claim. As of now that's a resounding no.

Germany has effectively rolled over to Russian aggression. There's a reason the Ukrainians are desperate for the help of a country thousands of miles away and not the one at their figurative doorstep.
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Jan 14 2020 10:33am
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Germany has effectively rolled over to Russian aggression. There's a reason the Ukrainians are desperate for the help of a country thousands of miles away and not the one at their figurative doorstep.


Germany has been the leader of the crippling sanctions that Europe imposed on Russia in the aftermath of their annexation of Crimea - and it's mostly driven by our political leadership.
Our business community doesnt like those sanctions at all, and in fact, out of all EU countries, Germany is the one whose economy is taking the biggest hit from these sanctions. We're sacrificing quite a bit to rein Russia in to the best of our ability.

Furthermore, it should be easy to understand that Russia cant be stopped by sanctions alone, that they only truly back down in reaction to actual strength, to military power and its projection. For Germany to deter Russia from fucking with its neighbors, Germany would need a much more mighty military. I really dont think that's something the rest of the world is eagerly awaiting. :unsure:

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Jan 14 2020 10:41am
Quote (bogie160 @ 14 Jan 2020 16:57)
You are making a specific argument that what the United States is doing is "illegal". I want you to demonstrate that you've thought through the logical implications of that claim. As of now that's a resounding no.

Germany has effectively rolled over to Russian aggression. There's a reason the Ukrainians are desperate for the help of a country thousands of miles away and not the one at their figurative doorstep.


that's just another one of those easily debunkable, ridiculous narratives that the cult uncritically accepted in order to excuse their emperor's corrupt behaviour. here's the reality: https://www.csis.org/analysis/not-contributing-enough-summary-european-military-and-development-assistance-ukraine-2014?amp
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Jan 14 2020 10:59am
Quote (bogie160 @ Jan 14 2020 09:57am)
You are making a specific argument that what the United States is doing is "illegal". I want you to demonstrate that you've thought through the logical implications of that claim. As of now that's a resounding no.

Germany has effectively rolled over to Russian aggression. There's a reason the Ukrainians are desperate for the help of a country thousands of miles away and not the one at their figurative doorstep.


it is winter in the northern hemisphere afterall.
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Jan 14 2020 11:34am
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it is winter in the northern hemisphere afterall.


:bonk:
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Jan 14 2020 11:31pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 14 2020 11:33am)
Germany has been the leader of the crippling sanctions that Europe imposed on Russia in the aftermath of their annexation of Crimea - and it's mostly driven by our political leadership.
Our business community doesnt like those sanctions at all, and in fact, out of all EU countries, Germany is the one whose economy is taking the biggest hit from these sanctions. We're sacrificing quite a bit to rein Russia in to the best of our ability.

Furthermore, it should be easy to understand that Russia cant be stopped by sanctions alone, that they only truly back down in reaction to actual strength, to military power and its projection. For Germany to deter Russia from fucking with its neighbors, Germany would need a much more mighty military. I really dont think that's something the rest of the world is eagerly awaiting. :unsure:


I don't think anyone seriously blames Germans in 2020 for World War II. It's time for Germany to mature as a country and stop hiding behind its history.
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Jan 14 2020 11:39pm
this is dead imo, close this thread.
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Jan 15 2020 06:05am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 14 2020 11:34am)
:bonk:


What? Jokes about the Russian winters killing German armies isn't on point?

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you notice how your narrative is shifting from 'we're in the right doing what we're doing' to 'we do it because we can, and no one can enforce international law on us'? exactly like i predicted so many pages ago - it inevitably happens when imperialists begin to realise what they are doing is actually pretty terrible.

'cost them nothing' is an evaluation based on ignorance - and it's irrelevant anyway because your original claim was that germany wouldn't "address russian aggression" - which i debunked with just a couple of examples. thanks for playing, kid.


Lol. Germans taking their cues from British bobbies: "Stop! Or I'll say 'stop!' again!"
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