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May 22 2018 12:57pm
There are documents made by the separatist government that show they were expecting acts of violence against the police and national order. Thankfully, there wasn't as much violence as expected (still there were several instances), but it goes to show that Puigdemont went on with a plan which he expected would include widespread violent civil uprising. That is why he's charged with rebellion. Puigdemont obviously didn't lead a violent mob, but he could be considered responsible.

The issue is that the crime of rebellion isn't very specific. It doesn't say if the person involved must directly engage in violent acts or not, so it's open to interpretation. The judge here considers that direct involvement in violence isn't necessary, while in Germany they don't seem to think so for now.

It is true that SOME spanish lawyers and political parties warned the spanish state's prosecutor to not ask the judge to press those charges, as it the law is too unclear and has no real precedent to go by, so it could be risky to ask for extradition with that charge. They could have gone with sedition, which was indeed much more straight forward. They probably should have done that, but there are of course theories as to why they didn't... everyone here knows Rajoy hates turmoil and fuss, and the last thing he wants is separatists jailed (let's not forget he spent years letting them do all sorts of illegal stuff until the Constitutional Court ordered the government to put an end to this), so he could have asked the prosecutor to press the charge that had the highest chance of failing in court, hoping that the spanish judge would accept the charge and open a case for rebellion (which happened) and later end up clearing him from it (doesn't seem like it, as so far he has been very strict, and even refusing the prosecutor's petitions to let some of the accused like Turull, Forcadell and Rull free from provisional prison).
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May 22 2018 01:23pm
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There are documents made by the separatist government that show they were expecting acts of violence against the police and national order. Thankfully, there wasn't as much violence as expected (still there were several instances), but it goes to show that Puigdemont went on with a plan which he expected would include widespread violent civil uprising. That is why he's charged with rebellion. Puigdemont obviously didn't lead a violent mob, but he could be considered responsible.

The issue is that the crime of rebellion isn't very specific. It doesn't say if the person involved must directly engage in violent acts or not, so it's open to interpretation. The judge here considers that direct involvement in violence isn't necessary, while in Germany they don't seem to think so for now.

It is true that SOME spanish lawyers and political parties warned the spanish state's prosecutor to not ask the judge to press those charges, as it the law is too unclear and has no real precedent to go by, so it could be risky to ask for extradition with that charge. They could have gone with sedition, which was indeed much more straight forward. They probably should have done that, but there are of course theories as to why they didn't... everyone here knows Rajoy hates turmoil and fuss, and the last thing he wants is separatists jailed (let's not forget he spent years letting them do all sorts of illegal stuff until the Constitutional Court ordered the government to put an end to this), so he could have asked the prosecutor to press the charge that had the highest chance of failing in court, hoping that the spanish judge would accept the charge and open a case for rebellion (which happened) and later end up clearing him from it (doesn't seem like it, as so far he has been very strict, and even refusing the prosecutor's petitions to let some of the accused like Turull, Forcadell and Rull free from provisional prison).


who claims they exist? are they confirmed by reliable sources or even publicly available? were they thought up and brought to paper by any of the arrested / charged ministers? did they actually expect or merely fear possible violence? violence as a REACTION to state sanctioned violence, or violence initiated by catalonian seperatists?

anyway, very interesting. the logical question here is: if it's as clear as you're trying to portray it, why didn't the prosecuter produce them to the court? or did he, and they just did not prove what you're claiming?
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May 24 2018 03:07pm


EU dismisses latest British ideas on Ireland after Brexit

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-transition/eu-dismisses-latest-british-ideas-on-ireland-after-brexit-idUSKCN1IP18J

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Both sides say they want to avoid a return of border checks on the island of Ireland after Brexit, but the European Union dismisses London’s idea to that end as unrealistic.

The EU has hence insisted on a “backstop” plan stipulating that, should no better options be agreed, it would go on governing trade after Brexit on the whole island where both EU member Ireland and Britain’s province of Northern Ireland sit.

That is, however, anathema to London, which is negotiating its divorce from a bloc it is due to exit next March. A transition period would follow until the end of 2020 and a new deal would kick in between the two from then on.






U.S. top commander in Europe wants more resources, forces to deter Russia

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-security/u-s-top-commander-in-europe-wants-more-resources-forces-to-deter-russia-idUSKCN1IP3IG

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General Curtis Scaparrotti, head of U.S. European Command and NATO’s supreme allied commander, said deterrence of Russia was one of his central tasks.

Resources currently focused on counter-terrorism may need to be redirected, Scaparrotti told reporters after a meeting with chiefs of defense from across Europe.


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May 24 2018 03:30pm
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The technology required for the Conservatives NI border plan would cost £20bn, might work if it was subsidised by our massive EU contributions...
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May 24 2018 03:37pm
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The technology required for the Conservatives NI border plan would cost £20bn, might work if it was subsidised by our massive EU contributions...




Sorry. If you could translate into English.

Whe I read that article, it looked like the EU was trying to scam the UK in this brexit issue, yet again.
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May 24 2018 03:54pm
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Sorry. If you could translate into English.

Whe I read that article, it looked like the EU was trying to scam the UK in this brexit issue, yet again.


Ah right. I thought you might have understood the issue you were posting about
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May 24 2018 04:09pm
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Ah right. I thought you might have understood the issue you were posting about




I understood what I wrote. At every turn it seems the EU is trying for "too much". I think they should just allow the UK to leave if they want. OR...the EU should become like "states" under one govt.
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May 24 2018 05:18pm
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he wont get anything from germany, we dont even have enough tanks ready to supply the promised material for the nato forces in the baltics next year
i wonder how our joke minister of defense will deal with that :lol:

its so embarrassing
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May 25 2018 07:25am


Britain will build own satellite system if no access to EU's: Hammond

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-hammond/britain-will-build-own-satellite-system-if-no-access-to-eus-hammond-idUSKCN1IQ0LV

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BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Britain would develop its own separate satellite navigation system if it lost access to the Galileo project, the European Union’s version of GPS, Britain’s finance minister said on Friday.
Britain told the European Union on Thursday it will demand the repayment of up to 1 billion pounds ($1.34 billion) if the bloc restricts its access to Galileo.
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