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Feb 4 2026 05:34pm
"If something always existed then life must also has existed."

what's the logic that if something always existed -> life must also have existed?


Life is something. It probably looked different like simple cell organisms and microbes to begin with. But life nonetheless.

Things don't vanish they change form. It's a law of conservation of mass and energy. Therefore it follows life isn't created or destroyed it changes form.
A seed becomes a tree, tree becomes compost, compost gets eaten by worms, worms get eaten by birds and they in turn lay eggs which hatch new chicks. It's one giant circle of life.
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Feb 4 2026 05:41pm
Life is something. It probably looked different like simple cell organisms and microbes to begin with. But life nonetheless.

Things don't vanish they change form. It's a law of conservation of mass and energy. Therefore it follows life isn't created or destroyed it changes form.
A seed becomes a tree, tree becomes compost, compost gets eaten by worms, worms get eaten by birds and they in turn lay eggs which hatch new chicks. It's one giant circle of life.


your idea is that life itself always existed? that's your explanation for life? was there not a time before the earth or other planets existed that life did not exist?

"Things don't vanish they change form. It's a law of conservation of mass and energy."

are you trying to say that at some point a rock or other matter became life? is abiogenesis observable or is this just a fairy tale story?
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Feb 4 2026 08:11pm
Life is something. It probably looked different like simple cell organisms and microbes to begin with. But life nonetheless.

Things don't vanish they change form. It's a law of conservation of mass and energy. Therefore it follows life isn't created or destroyed it changes form.
A seed becomes a tree, tree becomes compost, compost gets eaten by worms, worms get eaten by birds and they in turn lay eggs which hatch new chicks. It's one giant circle of life.


This is total clown stuff, life is an unfathomably complex molecular machine, not a "form" of mass or energy
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Feb 4 2026 08:18pm


Who are you trying to convince?

You'll never make a thread saying that swinging a chicken over your head before brutally killing it to negate your wrongdoings doesn't make sense
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Feb 4 2026 09:53pm
You asked me why should god appear before me. I replied to make sure he isn't a scammer. To see if he is real and can do what he claims to do. He needs to provide ID, receipts, physical proof. Talk is cheap.
And you asked me what outcome that would achieve which is the same thing really. It would mean we wouldn't need to rely on words alone.

Either put up proof or shut up. Why are you not getting this? Did you fall down some stairs or what?


Is God trustworthy you ask?

Let's compare what God said to what the serpent said:

Genesis 2:15-17 NIV

The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

Genesis 3:1-7 NIV

Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”

The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”

“You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.
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I don't know about you but I think that God certainly wasn't the scammer here.
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Is God trustworthy you ask?

Let's compare what God said to what the serpent said:

Genesis 2:15-17 NIV

The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

Genesis 3:1-7 NIV

Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”

The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”

“You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.
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I don't know about you but I think that God certainly wasn't the scammer here.


Using circular logic on me again, seriously? This is just sad
You need help bro. Let me help you free yourself from this cult.

I ask for physical proof, receipts, something that can be verifiable or admissible in a court of law or any respectable science review to determine this christianity isnt a scammer/liar.
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Cpk0001: actually the bible says the bible is trustworthy... case closed

Nice argument you got there.



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Using circular logic on me again, seriously? This is just sad
You need help bro. Let me help you free yourself from this cult.

I ask for physical proof, receipts, something that can be verifiable or admissible in a court of law or any respectable science review to determine this christianity isnt a scammer/liar.
Meanwhile
Cpk0001: actually the bible says the bible is trustworthy... case closed

Nice argument you got there.

https://imgur.com/b8OgvQr.jpeg


Its a fight against windmills, bro
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Using circular logic on me again, seriously? This is just sad
You need help bro. Let me help you free yourself from this cult.

I ask for physical proof, receipts, something that can be verifiable or admissible in a court of law or any respectable science review to determine this christianity isnt a scammer/liar.
Meanwhile
Cpk0001: actually the bible says the bible is trustworthy... case closed

Nice argument you got there.

https://imgur.com/b8OgvQr.jpeg


You want some kind of proof outside of the Bible? You are going to die one day and there is no escape.

You can try to spin whatever logic or impressive argument you want. The book of Ecclesiastes makes it clear, it's all meaningless. You could be Einstein's Grandson for all I care, you are going to die and you will be forgotten. You will die and meet your maker. Denying the existence won't make you escape judgement.

Here are some words from Ecclesiastes that you should consider. Oh and this is verifiable if you apply some critical thinking. You are also a sinner and deserve judgement for everything you have done.

Ecclesiastes 1:12-18 NIV

Wisdom Is Meaningless

I, the Teacher, was king over Israel in Jerusalem. I applied my mind to study and to explore by wisdom all that is done under the heavens. What a heavy burden God has laid on mankind! I have seen all the things that are done under the sun; all of them are meaningless, a chasing after the wind.

What is crooked cannot be straightened;
what is lacking cannot be counted.

I said to myself, “Look, I have increased in wisdom more than anyone who has ruled over Jerusalem before me; I have experienced much of wisdom and knowledge.” Then I applied myself to the understanding of wisdom, and also of madness and folly, but I learned that this, too, is a chasing after the wind.

For with much wisdom comes much sorrow;
the more knowledge, the more grief.
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Feb 6 2026 10:43am
You want some kind of proof outside of the Bible? You are going to die one day and there is no escape.

You can try to spin whatever logic or impressive argument you want. The book of Ecclesiastes makes it clear, it's all meaningless. You could be Einstein's Grandson for all I care, you are going to die and you will be forgotten. You will die and meet your maker. Denying the existence won't make you escape judgement.

Here are some words from Ecclesiastes that you should consider. Oh and this is verifiable if you apply some critical thinking. You are also a sinner and deserve judgement for everything you have done.

Ecclesiastes 1:12-18 NIV

Wisdom Is Meaningless

I, the Teacher, was king over Israel in Jerusalem. I applied my mind to study and to explore by wisdom all that is done under the heavens. What a heavy burden God has laid on mankind! I have seen all the things that are done under the sun; all of them are meaningless, a chasing after the wind.

What is crooked cannot be straightened;
what is lacking cannot be counted.

I said to myself, “Look, I have increased in wisdom more than anyone who has ruled over Jerusalem before me; I have experienced much of wisdom and knowledge.” Then I applied myself to the understanding of wisdom, and also of madness and folly, but I learned that this, too, is a chasing after the wind.

For with much wisdom comes much sorrow;
the more knowledge, the more grief.


reminded me of this
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