Quote (Thor123422 @ Dec 30 2023 04:04pm)
It's extremely funny to me that a dyed in the wool conservative and life long Republican like IceMage is called a liberal because he won't go along with you guys pretending a guy trying to overthrow the election shouldn't be held accountable.
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 31 2023 07:20pm)
IceMage has been actively rooting for Democrats for the past 8 years, so he can hardly be considered a life long Republican anymore. Particularly since the Democratic party has fucking ZOOMED to the left on a wide range of issues over this timespan. But you're right, he's not actually a liberal - just someone who would be willing to put up with vast amounts of liberal policy if only it helps him get rid of Trump.
The bodies responsible for holding a POTUS accountable are the Congress of the United States and federal law enforcement, not state courts or state assemblies. And Congress did hold him accountable: he was impeached over his attempts to overturn the 2020 election and a solid majority of Senators voted to convict him, even if they fell short of the necessary two-thirds majority. Tough luck that the Constitution sets the bar super high for a move which usually has the extremely drastic effect of removing a sitting president from office, or that the founding fathers didn't think of a scenario in which impeachment is used for political theater at a time when the accused president has already left office.
I'm certainly not a true conservative, or anything close to it, but pre-Trump I was a solid Republican. Now I would describe myself as a right-leaning moderate, as is the median American voter, although I'm more socially conservative than the median voter, but my social conservatism doesn't override everything(like whether American democracy continues to exist, for instance).
Saying I've been rooting for Democrats the last 8 years isn't true... it's more accurate to say I've been reacting to Trump and Trumpism, and sometimes that means I support Democrats. I would be fucking ecstatic if Republican primary voters wanted to pick a sane candidate this election cycle and give me an actual choice... I'm a socially conservative Catholic, you think I want to vote for the rabidly pro-abortion and pro-LGBT Joe Biden? They don't want to pick a sane candidate, because the party is a cult of Donald Trump. I've understood this phenomenon for years and right-wingers on this forum still don't truly understand it(get that FG ready Bogie).
So, as a right-leaning moderate with socially conservative views and who is Catholic, if Trump is on the ballot I will choose Joe Biden, because preservation of American democracy and extinguishing(or at least containing) this dangerous cult from the world is more important than my numerous disagreements with the other policies of Joe Biden and the Democrats. To me, it's not even a close call.
This post was edited by IceMage on Jan 6 2024 07:36am