Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Feb 27 2023 06:08pm)

I voted yes because it works for a small city state like mine. And I voted Yes in context to my country , because the government is quite squeaky clean with good due process, a transparent judiciary , common law.
It will not deter all serious crimes completely , but it will make you think twice and very hard before you commit one since you can't get away easily.

I cannot say that for larger countries. Our population is only around 5.8 million people.

Quote (bogie160 @ Feb 26 2023 07:25pm)

Of course not, because as I said, ethnic diversity among whites in the United States is orders of magnitude above what it is in Europe. Even our """white""" population is really just an amalgamation of dozens of separate ethnic groups, gradually assimilated over time. And aside from that, the United States is vast, geographically and by population, and regional differences between the states are cultures unto themselves. It's hard to imagine that when the sum of your experience is looking at the United States on a map.

Bold - I didn't. France is a homogenous country by American standards. I don't know or care what other people are saying, this is a conversation between you and me, not the general population of pard.

Quote (gnarjay @ Feb 27 2023 07:57pm)

France is one of the most ethnically diverse countries in the world and has not been anything close to "homogenous" for centuries, youve clearly never been there and have no fucking clue what you are talking about

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France is one of the most ethnically diverse countries in the world and has not been anything close to "homogenous" for centuries, youve clearly never been there and have no fucking clue what you are talking about

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The French are, paradoxically, strongly conscious of belonging to a single nation, but they hardly constitute a unified ethnic group by any scientific gauge. Before the official discovery of the Americas at the end of the 15th century, France, located on the western extremity of the Old World, was regarded for centuries by Europeans as being near the edge of the known world. Generations of different migrants traveling by way of the Mediterranean from the Middle East and Africa and through Europe from Central Asia and the Nordic lands settled permanently in France, forming a variegated grouping, almost like a series of geologic strata, since they were unable to migrate any farther. Perhaps the oldest reflection of these migrations is furnished by the Basque people, who live in an isolated area west of the Pyrenees in both Spain and France, who speak a language unrelated to other European languages, and whose origin remains unclear. The Celtic tribes, known to the Romans as Gauls, spread from central Europe in the period 500 BCE–500 CE to provide France with a major component of its population, especially in the centre and west. At the fall of the Roman Empire, there was a powerful penetration of Germanic (Teutonic) peoples, especially in northern and eastern France. The incursion of the Norsemen (Vikings) brought further Germanic influence. In addition to these many migrations, France was, over the centuries, the field of numerous battles and of prolonged occupations before becoming, in the 19th and especially in the 20th century, the prime recipient of foreign immigration into Europe, adding still other mixtures to the ethnic melting pot.

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from your own article



you are wrong, again

Quote (fender @ Feb 27 2023 02:00pm)

the problem with putting in the effort to debunk his ignorance concerning diversity in europe is that he might get the impression it's a valid argument to begin with, which it clearly isn't. US' homicide rate is not a result of its unique diversity, but one of manufactured hate (media and partisan politics), the economic devastation and inequality caused by late stage capitalism, and most importantly firearm proliferation.

in reality, most homicides happen within ethnic groups. only politically motivated violence (almost exclusively perpetrated by right wing extremists btw) is targeted specifically at other racial / cultural groups. even if america was completely anglo-saxon white, its politicians and ruling class would find ways of dividing it, its gun manufacturers would find ways to scare monger about certain groups to keep the working class divided and distracted from the people who are actually exploiting them, and people would be killing each other at similar rates.

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from your own article



you are wrong, again

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France is a homogenous country by American standards.

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France is one of the most ethnically diverse countries in the world and has not been anything close to "homogenous" for centuries, youve clearly never been there and have no fucking clue what you are talking about

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• European countries are ethnically homogenous. This is, to me, one of the most interesting trends in the data. A number of now-global ideas about the nation-state, about national identity as tied to ethnicity and about nationalism itself originally came from Europe. For centuries, Europe's borders shifted widely and frequently, only relatively recently settling into what we see today, in which most large ethnic groups have a country of their own. That developed, painfully, over a very long time. And while there are still some exceptions – Belgium has ethnic Walloons and Dutch, for example – in most of Europe, ethnicity and nationality are pretty close to the same thing.

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• The Americas are often diverse. From the United States through Central America down to Brazil, the "new world" countries, maybe in part because of their histories of relatively open immigration (and, in some cases, intermingling between natives and new arrivals) tend to be pretty diverse. The exception is South America's "southern cone," where Argentines and Chileans, many of whom originally come from the same handful of Western European countries, tend to be more homogenous. I was surprised to see Canada rate as more diverse than the United States or even Mexico; it's possible that the survey counted Quebecois as ethnically distinct, although I can't say for sure.

Quote (pwb3 @ Feb 26 2023 05:17pm)

Yes. I support it for the likes of people like Putin and Kim Jong.