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Feb 21 2023 04:44pm
Quote (kusotarre1 @ Feb 21 2023 06:38pm)
me: you're arguing bad.

you: don't tell me what to say, you're not my father!

lmao


Feeling lonely today buddy? Lol
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Feb 21 2023 04:48pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Feb 21 2023 02:44pm)
Feeling lonely today buddy? Lol

I just thought it was funny that me arguing why you're wrong, something that is the entire purpose of this dumb waste of time forum, gets recast as me "telling you what to do", lol.

But I guess this is just me 'telling you what to think', a power I definitely believe I possess.
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Feb 21 2023 05:03pm
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yeah right, just ignore the fact that you got caught lying again in order to justify the russian invasion, hack.

pointing out that ukrainians rather risk their lives defending their country than handing it over to pootin and seeing their families genocided is just a FACT - that's literally what is happening right now. has nothing to do with "endsieg", lol.
also, your moronic "argument" that supporting ukraine means supporting nazis (totally not a kremlin narrative you keep pushing there, lol) backfires really quickly once you realise that the percentage of actual nazis in the russian military and mercenaries deployed in ukraine is at least as high, lol.


SLAVA UKRAINI REEEEEEEE TO THE LAST MAN

i told you how predictable your stuff is and you give me more of that

saying that certain places in eastern ukraine were not basically russia the entire time is pretty ridiculous (how cute that its suddenly about ethnicity), people trapped between states has been a thing since borders exist

these people should be brothers, but now they kill each other in a proxy war over some sunflower fields and 19th century industry, yikes bro

you and your fellow npc's constantly talk like there are no scenarios except a full ukranian victory or putin taking the whole country

but keep cheering for the endsieg :rofl:

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Feb 21 2023 05:08pm
Quote (kusotarre1 @ Feb 21 2023 06:48pm)
I just thought it was funny that me arguing why you're wrong, something that is the entire purpose of this dumb waste of time forum, gets recast as me "telling you what to do", lol.

But I guess this is just me 'telling you what to think', a power I definitely believe I possess.


Seems like a very long winded way of saying "Yes" but ok. If you like you could go through my comment history and find any other phrasing that bothers you and we could discuss that as well?
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Feb 21 2023 05:11pm
Quote (kusotarre1 @ 21 Feb 2023 23:10)
https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08MOSCOW265_a.html

^ The Burns (now CIA director) memo that shows the US knew exactly what would happen if Ukraine were to attempt to join NATO. It's not incompetence. The US competently made the war happen. They knew what to do to make it happen and then the did those things so that it would happen.

Misstating the intentional nature of US actions isn't 'being diplomatic', it's being untruthful.


What exactly did the US do to make the war happen in February 2022 though? What triggered Russia to strike at this specific moment in time? Since Russia annexed Crimea and propped up separatist movements in the Donbass in 2014, Ukraine was involved in ongoing military conflict and territorial disputes, which makes accession to NATO impossible according to NATO's own statutes. The only way to get rid of this obstacle would have been Ukraine ceding this territory to Russia, which they were clearly not willing to do. Furthermore, accession to NATO has to be agreed upon unanimously by all members. It's inconceivable that Putin's frenemy Erdogan or his buddy Orban would have given their green light for Ukrainian NATO membership.

Also, why would Russia be so afraid of Ukraine in NATO to begin with? Finland is about to join the alliance and shares a similarly long border with Russia, yet Russia doesn't seem overly bothered by that. Why is Finnish NATO membership palatable to Russia but not Ukraine's? And like I pointed out previously, if NATO wanted to station nukes pointing toward Moscow with as short a travel time as possible, Ukraine doesn't offer any benefit over Estonia.

This whole "Russia felt threatened by the prospect of Ukraine joining NATO"-narrative doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
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Feb 21 2023 05:11pm
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 22 Feb 2023 00:03)
SLAVA UKRAINI REEEEEEEE TO THE LAST MAN

i told you how predictable your stuff is and you give me more of that

saying that certain places in eastern ukraine were not basically russia the entire time is pretty ridiculous (how cute that its suddenly about ethnicity), people trapped between states has been a thing since borders exist

these people should be brothers, but now they kill each other in a proxy war over some sunflower fields and 19th century industry, yikes bro

you and your fellow npc's constantly talk like there are no scenarios except a full ukranian victory or putin taking the whole country

but keep cheering for the endsieg :rofl:


i merely corrected your LIE about a "majority" being russians, that was demonstrably false. you're trying to justify pootin's invasion (which you hilariously predicted would never happen, and called western propaganda, lol) by regurgitating kremlin narratives like a bot, lol.

everyone here knows that you value authoritarianism over freedom (no wonder UAE is your dream country), but that doesn't magically reverse the role of aggressor and victim. pootin is trying to redraw international borders by force. he's the one murdering tens of thousands of innocent people in order to expand his empire, and none of your pathetic copium will change that FACT.
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Feb 21 2023 05:39pm
Quote (fender @ Feb 22 2023 12:11am)
i merely corrected your LIE about a "majority" being russians, that was demonstrably false. you're trying to justify pootin's invasion (which you hilariously predicted would never happen, and called western propaganda, lol) by regurgitating kremlin narratives like a bot, lol.

everyone here knows that you value authoritarianism over freedom (no wonder UAE is your dream country), but that doesn't magically reverse the role of aggressor and victim. pootin is trying to redraw international borders by force. he's the one murdering tens of thousands of innocent people in order to expand his empire, and none of your pathetic copium will change that FACT.


i value freedom and thats why after the staged coup by the west the eastern ukrainians, that voted 90+% pro russian candidates, speak russian and have been part of former russian states for centuries, should have had an honest opportunity to vote

the response was violence and putin could play his "gotta protect my guys" card once again

yeah, totally unpredictable after south ossetia and crimea :rofl:

unlike you i have no skin in this game, i dont need to feel like i am the good guy (which i am and you are not) to sleep at night

p.s: freedom means making your own choices and not doing what fucking fenderp wants



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Feb 21 2023 05:44pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ 22 Feb 2023 06:44)
Feeling lonely today buddy? Lol


Quote (kusotarre1 @ 22 Feb 2023 06:48)
I just thought it was funny that me arguing why you're wrong, something that is the entire purpose of this dumb waste of time forum, gets recast as me "telling you what to do", lol.

But I guess this is just me 'telling you what to think', a power I definitely believe I possess.


Hey bros chill, you two are one of the more level headed dudes I have seen on Pard. Don't misunderstood one another.
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Feb 21 2023 05:54pm
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Feb 21 2023 08:12am)
Topic tracked. Will give some input from my region ( I am from South East Asia ) point of view after some thoughts


Who will have a new leader first, China or russia?
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Feb 21 2023 05:59pm
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Feb 21 2023 08:36am)
I am still skeptical if the Chinese will provide weapons to Russia. I am not saying that hey won't. They might just do something really sneaky by sending their stuff to North Korea and get it stamped with Korean language and send it to Russia.
As a matter of fact, from the news that I heard from Taiwan about 3 hours ago. Wang Yi's speech in Munich also beseech all sides not to use any biological or chemical weapons. The Chinese must have gotten intelligence that sides involved in this war , may it be Russia, Ukraine ( US, NATO ) backed are preparing to use biological and chemical weapons.


You dont think china could do that themselves?
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