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Dec 26 2022 11:22am
Quote (duffman316 @ 26 Dec 2022 09:59)
is it though? I pay taxes and I get offended by how I had no means to defend myself from getting robbed and no say in how the proceeds of the theft get spent, supposedly for my own good by injecting dogs with cocaine


Why do you keep getting fixated on relatively tiny government expenditures that you don't agree with? I don't even understand the point when such a huge chunk of the money goes to fund the military...

Average tax payer rate is 13.5% and the military gets 14.8% of all US expenditure. So the federal reserve bank actually funds the military slightly more than the average tax payer.

Quote (duffman316 @ 26 Dec 2022 09:59)
why do you take this topic so personally? do you "work" in the public sector or live off social assistance?


Because I have family members that are older and I can see how the system works from multiple perspectives.

If you think taxes are theft then you better be prepared to grab a shovel and bury your family members when they get sick, because after you see their medical bills, you will rethink what theft is...

Quote (duffman316 @ 26 Dec 2022 09:59)
the infrastructure isn't free, my taxes paid for it
the government programs aren't free, my taxes paid for it


Sir respectfully, construction companies bill the government about $1 million dollars per mile of road and there are over 4 million miles of road in the US. You did not pay 4+trillion dollars in taxes... No individual person did...

Quote (duffman316 @ 26 Dec 2022 09:59)
i do have a job and i am part of the greatest hard working group of citizenry in my country
i'm a landlord
i provide shelter to people


Then I highly doubt that you legitimately believe that you are the victim of theft by paying taxes. Especially after you figure out that after people die their property ends up being sold off to landlords like yourself through HUD programs at a massive discount to you. They are clearly thieves scamming you with those super low interest loans and heavily discounted property...

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Dec 26 2022 11:26am
Quote (mki @ Dec 26 2022 12:07pm)
Oh look, another liar.

If you are not paying your taxes, you are absolutely a crook that deserves to be in jail and I'm not going to have a conversation with a criminal advocate....


NPC behavior.

I don't think the best way to disarm the notion that taxation is theft is to say that people who refuse to pay tax deserve to be locked in a cage by the government.

We both know you can't defend the position.
So questioning the legitimacy of government theft is verboten and criminal.
Even discussing the issue with a dissenter has to be described as unsavory behavior that an upstanding citizen would not participate in.

"Everything within the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State."

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I don't think the best way to disarm the notion that taxation is theft is to say that people who refuse to pay tax deserve to be locked in a cage by the government.


Well, that's where people who don't pay taxes end up. So what are you suggesting here? That you think that tax are theft, so we're going to lock up the officials that we elected?

Quote (cambovenzi @ 26 Dec 2022 12:26)
We both know you can't defend the position.
So questioning the legitimacy of government theft is verboten and criminal.
Even discussing the issue with a dissenter has to be described as unsavory behavior that an upstanding citizen would not participate in.


What planet do you live on? It's certainly not Earth (I am repeating myself now) as there are zero places in the entire universe that are completely tax free.

If you would like to continue with the absurd and insane theory that the entire planet is victimizing you, then I will happily inform you that isn't what is happening and that you are wrong.

You people are seriously worse then the socialists that think capitalism is in it's late stages.

I've never observed a whinier group of spoiled brats that wants free handouts then right here on this forum talking with people like yourself.



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Dec 26 2022 11:34am
Quote (mki @ Dec 26 2022 12:32pm)
Well, that's where people who don't pay taxes end up. So what are you suggesting here? That you think that tax are theft, so we're going to lock up the officials that we elected?



What planet do you live on? It's certainly not Earth (I am repeating myself now) as there are zero places in the entire universe that are completely tax free.

If you would like to continue with the absurd and insane theory that the entire planet is victimizing you, then I will happily inform you that isn't what is happening and that you are wrong.

You people are seriously worse then the socialists that think capitalism is in it's late stages.

I've never observed a whinier group of spoiled brats that wants free handouts then right here on this forum talking with people like yourself.


You seem emotional and insecure about your worldview.
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Quote (cambovenzi @ 26 Dec 2022 12:34)
You seem emotional and insecure about your worldview.


Unsurprisingly, you are wrong again.
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Dec 26 2022 11:39am
No one has to pay taxes if they don't want to and are clever enough.
I don't and am proud of it.
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Dec 26 2022 11:41am
Quote (mki @ Dec 26 2022 12:35pm)
Unsurprisingly, you are wrong again.


You've already admitted about as much. You are offended and flying off the handle.
Childish rants about me being a spoiled criminal and you voiced vitriolic opposition to the act of intellectual debate itself.

You have to come up with garbage like that and strawmen like I think 'the entire world is victimizing me' because you are literally incapable of successfully defending your position.
Its much easier to engage in juvenile tactics and brush off differing views. Everyone knows the government are the good guys. We owe them our wages. Don't question it.
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Dec 26 2022 11:45am
Quote (cambovenzi @ 26 Dec 2022 12:41)
You've already admitted about as much. You are offended and flying off the handle.
Childish rants about me being a spoiled criminal and you voiced vitriolic opposition to the act of intellectual debate itself.

You have to come up with garbage like that and strawmen like I think 'the entire world is victimizing me' because you are literally incapable of successfully defending your position.
Its much easier to engage in juvenile tactics and brush off differing views. Everyone knows the government are the good guys. We owe them our wages. Don't question it.


Every time I see the word "strawman" used in an argument on the internet I know two things:

#1: The person who wrote the sentence doesn't know what a logical fallacy is.
#2: There's no point in talking to that person because they're not trying to have a legitimate conversation.

Even reading your posts, you clearly have zero interest in discussing anything with me and are simply attempting to talk down to me. Which won't work with me.

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Quote (mki @ Dec 26 2022 12:45pm)
Every time I see the word "strawman" used in an argument on the internet I know two things:

#1: The person who wrote the sentence doesn't know what a logical fallacy is.
#2: There's no point in talking to that person because they're not trying to have a legitimate conversation.

Even reading your posts, you clearly have zero interest in discussing anything with me and are simply attempting to talk down to me. Which won't work with me.


Yes I'm sure that is yet another one of your many reasons for opposing legitimate discussion and rationalizing why you can't defend your position after running your mouth.

Merely calling out your strawman is a new reason to flee. You automatically "KNOW" I must not know what a logical fallacy is AND there is no point in talking to me.

You desperately need reasons to not consider the issue and run away from debating it.
So if I recognize taxation is theft, then I must think the world is victimizing me, or im a spoiled child, or I'm lying, or I'm a criminal, and you definitely shouldn't debate the issue.

You are an anti-intellectual clown who walked into my part of town calling me a liar and a criminal and can't back anything up.
You deserve to be talked down to based on your behavior here.
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Dec 26 2022 12:03pm
Quote (mki @ Dec 26 2022 12:07pm)
Oh look, another liar.

If you are not paying your taxes, you are absolutely a crook that deserves to be in jail and I'm not going to have a conversation with a criminal advocate....


this dudes throating so hard abe lincoln is sprouting out his asshole

YA DAMN COMMIE!
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